Obama recognizes Ramadan.

[ChumpDumper]

Hmmm. Christians are general Americans? (Not trying to put words in your mouth) But...Why would "general" Americans not be privy to the same treatment as any other American?

Since they are already educated about their own religion, they don't need to be educated about their own religion.

It's really not that difficult a concept.

[SpurNation]

Since they are already educated about their own religion, they don't need to be educated about their own religion.

It's really not that difficult a concept.

So Obama is "educating" Islamic people about Islam? Or is he educating Christians and Jews about Islam? Or is he "educating" Atheists? (He's educating all Americans? but not all Americans deserve to be educated by the president?)

And if he's doing either in this government sponsored message...according to American law...should he not do the same for other religious sects?

I'm really not having a difficult time with this as you think...I'm asking legitiment questions regarding the history lesson of the speach and to whom it was addressed and is it fair to all people considered American if the same type of history lesson speech is not done for all religions?

I guess there is no law governing the separation of religion from religion even if it's done in a government sponsored broadcast.

[ChumpDumper]

So Obama is "educating" Islamic people about Islam? Or is he educating Christians and Jews about Islam? Or is he "educating" Atheists? (He's educating all Americans? but not all Americans deserve to be educated by the president?)

He saw a need for education and he took the opportunity to do it.

And if he's doing either in this government sponsored message...according to American law...should he not do the same for other religious sects?

No. There is no law requiring this.

I'm really not having a difficult time with this as you think...

Yes, you are.

I'm asking legitiment questions regarding the history lesson of the speach and to whom it was addressed and is it fair to all people considered American if the same type of history lesson speech is not done for all religions?

If that's the case -- why aren't you ing that there isn't an official White house menorah?



It's not fair, I tells ya!

I guess there is no law governing the separation of religion from religion even if it's done in a government sponsored broadcast.

No, there is no law governing the separation of a religion from religion.

[SpurNation]

If that's the case -- why aren't you ing that there isn't an official White house menorah?

Lighting the Menorah at the White House



After koshering a wing of the White House kitchen with US First Lady Laura Bush, Rabbi Levi Shemtov—dubbed the "Rabbi of Capital Hill"—sets out on his Hanukkah mission. Take a look as Attorney General Michael Mukasey lights Hanukkah candles, President Bush pays his respect to Chabad representatives Israel Bardugo Published: 12.08.07, 16:56 / Israel Jewish Scene


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Chabad Hanukkiya on the Ellipse (Photo: Israel Bardugo)


And NO AGAIN...I'm not having a difficult time except for the unfairness of not providing the same "history lesson" using government funded broadcasts.

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lol

Is it not good enough to be in the White House with the tree? It's not even on the White House grounds.

It's not fair!

And I've never seen any law regarding the fairness of history lessons in government holiday messages. You claimed there is. Please show it to us.

[ChumpDumper]

Seriously, after all these displays of Christianity and Judaism in and around the White House -- a mere history lesson during Ramadan that only Yonivore watched isn't anywhere close to being equivalent.

It's not fair!

[SpurNation]

lol

Is it not good enough to be in the White House with the tree? It's not even on the White House grounds.

It's not fair!

And I've never seen any law regarding the fairness of history lessons in government holiday messages. You claimed there is. Please show it to us.

Point is...a Menorah is lit on government property and regarding Obama's message...I never claimed there's a law...I just think it would be a fair thing to do considering all religions who participate and live as Americans. After all...doesn't Obama portray himself as a fair person?

[ChumpDumper]

Fair would be putting up a minaret outside the White House and calling Muslims to prayer five times a day during Ramadan.

That's what you are asking for if you really believe in this kind of fairness.

[SpurNation]

fair would be putting up a minaret outside the white house and calling muslims to prayer five times a day during ramadan.

That's what you are asking for if you really believe in this kind of fairness.

yes!

[exstatic]

Since they are already educated about their own religion, they don't need to be educated about their own religion.

It's really not that difficult a concept.

Same reason White History month doesn't exist. It's not needed, or you could see that EVERY month is White History month. We're saturated with it.

[ChumpDumper]

yes!

I'm for getting rid of all of the displays on government property and reducing it all to internet history lessons no one will watch, but people clinging to their guns and religion will have none of it.

[hope4dopes]

[QUOTE=ChumpDumper;3648298]He saw a need for education and he took the opportunity to do it.


How many pairs of kneepads you go through in a month Chimp?

EDUCATOR......REFORMER........VISIONARY.....MESSIA H.All that and great pecs to....whatta man.

Well old barack hussien should be damn glad americans are ignorant of Islam otherwise he would have never got elected.
But perhaps I do you an injustice.Perhaps if americans knew about the life of the prophet, and the Haddith it would be better. If they knew the life of mohammed better they could understand obama better.
I mean it's a fair bet that if we had taken the time to educate our people on the life and thoughts of hitler, and facisim it would have averted an unpleasant situation from turning into a major war.

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I never said it was a great idea -- just that he did it.

You're a dumbass.

Well old barack hussien should be damn glad americans are ignorant of Islam otherwise he would have never got elected.

Why? Explain fully why American ignorance of Islam got Obama elected.

[hope4dopes]

I never said it was a great idea -- just that he did it.

You're a dumbass.Why? Explain fully why American ignorance of Islam got Obama elected.

A wink is as good as a nod...this is Obama America....there are hot lines you know.....there are lists you know..I mean

salaman rushdie
gurt wilder
theo van gogh
Ayaan hirsi Ali

[ChumpDumper]

A wink is as good as a nod...this is Obama America....there are hot lines you know.....there are lists you know..I mean

salaman rushdie
gurt wilder
theo van gogh
Ayaan hirsi Ali

What does that have to do with Obama's getting elected?

Explain fully.

[George Gervin's Afro]

[QUOTE=hope4dopes;3648489]

He saw a need for education and he took the opportunity to do it.


How many pairs of kneepads you go through in a month Chimp?

EDUCATOR......REFORMER........VISIONARY.....MESSIA H.All that and great pecs to....whatta man.

Well old barack hussien should be damn glad americans are ignorant of Islam otherwise he would have never got elected.
But perhaps I do you an injustice.Perhaps if americans knew about the life of the prophet, and the Haddith it would be better. If they knew the life of mohammed better they could understand obama better.
I mean it's a fair bet that if we had taken the time to educate our people on the life and thoughts of hitler, and facisim it would have averted an unpleasant situation from turning into a major war.

The only people calling him a visionary and messiah are you guys. Maybe you havent heard but Obama's not a muslim. I'm trying to keep you from looking any more stupid than usual.

[hope4dopes]

What does that have to do with Obama's getting elected?

Explain fully.

One has to wonder why Obama chose Islam for his mission of education. I mean George Bush(DAMMNED MAY HIS NAME BE) was constantly being ridiculed, his motives always attributed to his simplistic belief in christianity,yet Obama's muslim education is not only glossed over but actually lauded as a positive attribute by those with soft spots on their noggins.Why is that Chimp?
I mean Hinduisim, and Buhddisim as far as I can see have made far more positive contributions to America than Islam, and yet alot of Americans are ignorant of these religons.
The Dali Lama one of the most important thinkers and voices on the planet today is driven from his homeland, tibetian libraries burnt to the ground losing countless jewels to humanity,a war of genocide being waged by the chinese( major contributors to the Clintons and the DNC) and yet......nothing
Why Islam Chimp? You see unlike you I don't share.....(.keep this between you and me O.K. I'm pretty sure I'm already on one list).....faith in our leader.

[hope4dopes]

[QUOTE=George Gervin's Afro;3648512]

The only people calling him a visionary and messiah are you guys. Maybe you havent heard but Obama's not a muslim. I'm trying to keep you from looking any more stupid than usual.

Hey george did your mom ever get you that puppy you wanted.

[George Gervin's Afro]

[QUOTE=hope4dopes;3648536]

Hey george did your mom ever get you that puppy you wanted.

No.You do realize Obama's not muslim dont you?

[hope4dopes]

[QUOTE=George Gervin's Afro;3648545]

No.You do realize Obama's not muslim dont you?

Watta you gonna name him when she does.

[George Gervin's Afro]

[QUOTE=hope4dopes;3648550]

Watta you gonna name him when she does.

mohammad

[hope4dopes]

[QUOTE=George Gervin's Afro;3648553]

mohammad

It's gotta a nice ring to it but may I suggest "dog" it would be easier for you to remember. By the way George in Islam dogs are considered unclean, we don't want some taxi cab driver going jihaddist on your ass cause you called your puppy mohammed.

[George Gervin's Afro]

[QUOTE=hope4dopes;3648558]

It's gotta a nice ring to it but may I suggest "dog" it would be easier for you to remember. By the way George in Islam dogs are considered unclean, we don't want some taxi cab driver going jihaddist on your ass cause you called your puppy mohammed.

We wouldn't want an ignorant conservative still pimping the idea that Obama's a muslim to would we?

[hope4dopes]

[QUOTE=George Gervin's Afro;3648559]

We wouldn't want an ignorant conservative still pimping the idea that Obama's a muslim to would we?

Lord a mercy no.......... we all know his jailhouse converssion ,I mean his epipahany was a result of the contemplation of his heart and what is really in it......

[ChumpDumper]

One has to wonder why Obama chose Islam for his mission of education.

Because it's Ramadan, and bags like you need a little education.

I mean George Bush(DAMMNED MAY HIS NAME BE) was constantly being ridiculed, his motives always attributed to his simplistic belief in christianity,yet Obama's muslim education is not only glossed over but actually lauded as a positive attribute by those with soft spots on their noggins.Why is that Chimp?

Obama hasn't started any faith-based wars. Bush said he started a Crusade.

I mean Hinduisim, and Buhddisim as far as I can see have made far more positive contributions to America than Islam, and yet alot of Americans are ignorant of these religons.

And we're not fighting wars in Hindu or Buddhist countries.

The Dali Lama one of the most important thinkers and voices on the planet today is driven from his homeland, tibetian libraries burnt to the ground losing countless jewels to humanity,a war of genocide being waged by the chinese( major contributors to the Clintons and the DNC) and yet......nothing

We're not at war in Tibet.

Why Islam Chimp? You see unlike you I don't share.....(.keep this between you and me O.K. I'm pretty sure I'm already on one list).....faith in our leader.

I explained fully why. We're at war in two Islamic countries and conducting several military operations in a third. It's probably a good time to educate dumbasses like you that not all Muslims are evil and at the same time maybe send that same signal to the greater Muslim whose cooperation could benefit us.

Now, explain fully why American ignorance of Islam got Obama elected.

You still haven't done that.

Nice attempt to avoid it though.

Coward.