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Of course death panels will happen. Every socialized medicine program in the world has led to rationing. America has the best doctor, medicine, and private programs. That is why citizens of socialized medicine countries come to America
yeah death panels, it will happen. omg run for your lives, gov run health care oh no, socialist, socialist
wow, i guess we should get rid of medicare/medicade for seniors and health care for our vets, since the gov and our taxes pay for it....damn that free health care,
Of course death panels will happen. Every socialized medicine program in the world has led to rationing. America has the best doctor, medicine, and private programs. That is why citizens of socialized medicine countries come to America
Rationing care is the equivalent of a death panel.
I would suggest these ins utions are broken but, if they weren't, there is certainly a place for limited public health care; particularly for the aged and our military veterans.
But, back to death panels...
The Death Book for Veterans
You think Obamacare will be any less odious?Last year, bureaucrats at the VA's National Center for Ethics in Health Care advocated a 52-page end-of-life planning do ent, "Your Life, Your Choices." It was first published in 1997 and later promoted as the VA's preferred living will throughout its vast network of hospitals and nursing homes. After the Bush White House took a look at how this do ent was treating complex health and moral issues, the VA suspended its use. Unfortunately, under President Obama, the VA has now resuscitated "Your Life, Your Choices."
Who is the primary author of this workbook? Dr. Robert Pearlman, chief of ethics evaluation for the center, a man who in 1996 advocated for physician-assisted suicide in Vacco v. Quill before the U.S. Supreme Court and is known for his support of health-care rationing.
"Your Life, Your Choices" presents end-of-life choices in a way aimed at steering users toward predetermined conclusions, much like a political "push poll." For example, a worksheet on page 21 lists various scenarios and asks users to then decide whether their own life would be "not worth living."
I doubt people come here to have babies. We have the 46th lowest infant mortality rate in the world. Countries of note with a lower infant mortality rate:
Canada (36)
United Kingdom (32)
Australia (29)
Denmark (22)
Israel (18)
Switzerland (16)
France (8)
Japan (4)
The WHOs rankings of health care system by country:
1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates
28 Israel
29 Morocco
30 Canada
31 Finland
32 Australia
33 Chile
34 Denmark
35 Dominica
36 Costa Rica
37 United States of America
38 Slovenia
39 Cuba
hey at least we're ahead of Cuba
Screw the French and their death panels!
Look at #22. Crazy.
I guess I should note this was done in 2000. Still, you don't jump 36 spots in 9 years. If anything it has gotten worse here.
Well, if you want Colombia's health care system...go there.
I don't. I don't want France's, England's, or anyone elses either. I want to choose my own health care, and I don't want the govt involved in my decision in any way...shape...or form.
And that is what this is all about.
Not anyone else's "statistical" statistics.
Some people do want it. It's about that too.
Who cares if it works better?!?! If you want to choose your own healthcare you better let your insurance company know. They might have something to say about it.
Silly silly socialist. So the Brittish people who have their children in the hospital hallways. Do you really think if they could, they would not come to America? Also Canadians aren't coming over to America to have their kids?
Its not about mortality. It's about having a doctor who speaks your language (brittish ppl usually have an indian doctor) or having the luxuries like a nurse on hand and maybe only two ppl per room. I would take your comrads serious if they too would use this nationalized healthcare, but they still will keep their own govt. paid platinum package. I have a form of nationalized healthcare in the military and it is horrible. To go to the emergency room with a two year with a 103 degree temp. you will still wait in the waiting room for hours. I waited for eight hours in the waiting room when I had the flu before I gave up and left. To make an appointment, you have to call the appointment line and these ppl have all the power. If you are rude to them, they won't have an opening for months. If you miss an appointment, good luck getting another one. And they are rude!! They are like the people at the McDonalds drive thru.
Tell me when anyone leaves the United States of America -- or any other country -- to travel to one of the first 36 for health care.
You don't know what that means either do you?
Rather have them in a hallway than DEAD.So the Brittish people who have their children in the hospital hallways. Do you really think if they could, they would not come to America?
NoAlso Canadians aren't coming over to America to have their kids?
Um, ok I'll see where you're taking this. Because honestly if it's not about your baby dying, I'm not sure what it is about.Its not about mortality.
Oh. I guess it's about being a bigotIt's about having a doctor who speaks your language (brittish ppl usually have an indian doctor)
Have you ever been to a hospital in Canada or any place outside the US?or having the luxuries like a nurse on hand and maybe only two ppl per room.
Coherence. Look it up too.I would take your comrads serious if they too would use this nationalized healthcare, but they still will keep their own govt. paid platinum package.
Sorry.I have a form of nationalized healthcare in the military and it is horrible.
So you're claiming any nationalized healthcare system would be the same?To go to the emergency room with a two year with a 103 degree temp. you will still wait in the waiting room for hours.
The emergency room or an actual doctor's office?I waited for eight hours in the waiting room when I had the flu before I gave up and left.
How is that different than the current system?To make an appointment, you have to call the appointment line and these ppl have all the power.
That has nothing to do with the system. It has everything to do with people being assholesIf you are rude to them, they won't have an opening for months.
Why did you miss the appointment?If you miss an appointment, good luck getting another one.
again that has nothing to do with the system and everything to do with people being assholes.And they are rude!! They are like the people at the McDonalds drive thru.
It's because we are able to sustain a baby in our state of the art NICU's at a much younger age than any of those other countries you list. Babies born earlier are less likely to survive. In fact, the bulk of our infant mortality rate are of babies that would have been considered still borns (and therefore, not counted) in many of the countries you list.
Again, tell me when people travel to those places for treatment at the rate they travel to the USA for treatment.
I know of plenty of people who go to Canada. And if flights were cheap and the person had a place to stay, I'm sure they'd go to the other countries as well.
Wasn't there an issue with US citizens going to Canada for medicine? Also, here in South Texas, there are plenty of people who go into Mexico for basic medical care and prescription drugs.
Source?
Govt control of 1/6th of the economy is ok, if you think it would then be better than Colombia's health care? Under your's and WHO's determination, Colombia's health care is better than ours?
And the whole point of choosing my own healthcare, is whether or not I even decide to have health "insurance." And then I choose which insurance company I would then go with...so, of course I would "let them know"
But, they have "no say about" who I choose to go with, or if I even want "insurance."
That's called individual liberty. Something you won't have under Obamacare. You will be forced to have insurance.
That's not what freedom and liberty is about. You may be willing to give up that...I'm not.
It's not a real choice. You either have insurance and are covered or you don't and you pay exorbitant amounts of money for healthcare (or never seek it).
Which "Obamacare" are you referring to?That's called individual liberty. Something you won't have under Obamacare. You will be forced to have insurance.
Medicine, not medical care.
Well, except wild-ass, out-of-the-mainstream, voodoo medical treatments...(to Mexico)
It's not a real choice?
Of course it is.
I choose to have "insurance," or I choose not to.
I choose which type of "insurance" I may want, or not.
I choose which company I want and which I don't.
That's called individual liberty, Freedom...and responsibility.
Govt should not be involved in any way, shape, or form with my...or your, liberties and freedoms. Even if you don't want them, and are willing to have the govt take care of you...that's not what this country has ever been about.
Maybe Colombia...
If you don't choose insurance you're either insanely wealthy or insanely stupid. It's like choosing to keep money in a bank or choosing to keep it on your doorstep.
You'll get that choice with "Obamacare"I choose which type of "insurance" I may want, or not.
Why does it make a difference. I'll be interested to see your answer to this.I choose which company I want and which I don't.
By providing us means to live.Govt should not be involved in any way, shape, or form with my...or your, liberties and freedoms.
Where does it say that in the cons ution?Even if you don't want them, and are willing to have the govt take care of you...that's not what this country has ever been about.
Maybe Colombia has better healthcare than us.Maybe Colombia...
"I choose to have "insurance," or I choose not to."
so you can refuse your employer's insurance and take the equivalent as salary? and pay full income tax on it?
"I choose which type of "insurance" "
your "choice of one" is that offered by your employer, very few offer a choice of two.
"choose which company I want and which I don't."
again, for most people their employer offers one plan, one company.
a public option would be ... optional. no loss of freedom or choice.
"govt take care of you"
bull , lying strawman. who said the govt public OPTION is "going to take care of you".
That's right...If I don't want insurance I'm insanely stupid or insanely wealthy. Regardless if you think those are the only 2 reasons not to have insurance...the point is...it's your choice. Your freedom and Liberty to make that choice.
If OBAMACARE allows me to choose any type of Health plan or Insurance I want...why do we need Obamacare...I have that choice now.
Are all Insurance companies exactly the same? That is your assertion if you think it doesn't make a difference which one you "choose." Why would OBAMACARE offer you different companies then? Again, I don't care if they are all the exact same, like Pontiac and Oldsmobile...I don't want anyone telling me anything about my choices. Not your's...or Obama's biz.
"by providing us a means to live." Not sure what your talking about here.
Where does it say in the Cons ution that the govt should take care of you. Remember...if it's NOT in the Cons ution, the govt can't do it. We're talking about Govt action here, after all. Has to be Cons utional. And it is not.
Yeah, mebbe Colombia is where you want to go for your Healthcare. Personally, I like my Doc here just fine.
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