My beef with you has nothing to do with Jordan. I caught you red handed, son, and I ain't ever lettin' ya ferget it.
Let us proceed...
For sure. The Bulls won a tight as can be 7 game series with the Pacers to get to the finals that last year in 98. A game 7 where they won by 5 after trailing huge in the first half, where Jordan was struggling with his shot and looked exhausted. MJ was still the best player in the NBA in 1998, but no longer the best player of all time. 99 Spurs would have beat them..
You caught me red-handed on what? What the did Krause do after Jordan left? He ran the franchise into the ground after running all their talent off, and you want to pass him off as if he was the important part of their dynasty?
I guess I'd be bitter at Jordan too if he was getting cheered over my own guys in the Forum in the middle of the NBA Finals.
LMAO. Kobe's not even the best Laker of the decade. Why shouldn't I mention James? You Laker fans can never shut the up about him.
Talkin' out both sides of your mouth.
Because I laughed at the idea that organizations win les and not players?
Krause has been hated on for good reason. He was an idiot that had a hard-on for Toni Kukoc. And that hard-on for Kukoc alienated the stars on the Bulls because Krause was more interested in getting Kukoc and looking like a genius than taking care of the current star players on the team. This was the main reason Pippen and Jordan went at Kukoc so hard in the Olympics and shut him down. After Jordan retired in '93 Krause signed Kukoc (an unproven rookie) to a contract worth more than any of the Bulls (including Jordan) had ever received. He then proceeded to demolish the Bulls in the next couple of years making boneheaded moves bringing in scrub after scrub. On top of that Krause insulted Horace Grant during the '94 playoffs (publicly naming power forwards that he thought were better than him) when they were in contract negotiations which caused Horace to say the Bulls and sign with Orlando. Horace got his revenge a year later when he killed the Bulls in the '95 playoffs because they had no PF. Meanwhile during the '94 off-season Krause was trying to unload Pippen in a trade so his dream of having Kukoc running the show would come to fruition but he could never find the right deal. And after jackass Krause had run Horace off he figured he could cheaply replace him with crap players like Larry Krystowiak (who didn't last), Greg Foster (who didn't last), Corey Blount, and ey " in" Simpkins who never amounted to . This pretty much meant Pippen had to do everything just to keep the team afloat and lead the Bulls in all major categories (scoring, rebounding, assists, steals, blocks, etc) in '95. Unfortunately for Krause (and luckily for Bulls fans) before he could run the team into the ground any further Jordan came back, Dennis Rodman filled the PF void and the rest is history.
That is precisely what you said about your Spurs right up until this Krause story got lodged.
"This pretty much meant Pippen had to do everything just to keep the team afloat and lead the Bulls in all major categories (scoring, rebounding, assists, steals, blocks, etc) in '95."
Same Pippen who quit when Kukoc got the last shot call. Huh, hitman? Pippen was fine as long as he had Jordan holding his hand, keeping him in line. Otherwise he was a malcontented loser his entire career. Krause had Kukoc pegged correctly: a winner.
C'mon, you got Krause strapped to the same post the other got him strapped to. He's damned if he doesn't, and when he does, you say "Jordan" as fast as you can.
Krause wasn't perfect, neither was Jordan. Jordan had to sit for a year because he was suspended for his gambling piccadillos. He's fortunate though he didn't end up in Federal Prison like Rose. But, he was taken care of.
Like Jordan, Krause produced two triples.
All of this is irrelevant to my post. Stop talking out of your ass for a second and say something worthwhile. I noticed you didn't address the other points about Krause bringing in scrubs or the Horace Grant deal because you're ignorant of the situation. Kukoc wasn't a "winner" in the NBA kid. He never became the caliber of player Krause touted him to be. He couldn't even get to borderline all-star level.
I don't care if Pippen and Jordan weren't perfect. I don't care about the NBA/Jordan conspiracy theories either. I gave reasons why Jerry Krause was hated among the players and coaches. You couldn't address any of it so you typed a lot of bull like it was going to fly. You could have just said you didn't know what the you were talking about and saved us a lot of time.
Kobe winning 1+3 championships has nothing to do with his talent, it was all Jerry Buss.Because I laughed at the idea that organizations win les and not players?
Same Kobe who quit when he got pissed off at his coach. Huh, Culburn? Kobe was fine as long as he had Jackson holding his hand, keeping him in line. Otherwise he was a malcontented loser his entire career. Buss had Jackson pegged correctly: a winner.
I gave the reasons, you just chose to ignore them to fete your point. Krause was railroaded and on this Forum he'll get a fair shake. This I vow.
Now,
Let us proceed...
Precisely. I make no excuses for Bryant quitting. None. My record on Kobe's quitting is plastered all over this Forum.
C'mon, amb, come get some.
Trail of Crumbs leads Jordan to Hall’s doorstep
By Adrian Wojnarowski
Looking back, Jerry Krause still believes creative tension delivered a greater good to the dynasty. After all, history remembers old champions, not old chums. In the spring, he read Bill Russell’s memoir about his devotion to the Boston Celtics’ patriarch, Red Auerbach, and naturally it made Krause rewind to those days with Michael Jordan when winning came with isolation, without the joy of Jordan’s embrace.
As time passes, Krause, the great general manager of the Chicago Bulls, still lives with the gulf between him and Jordan, with a relationship that perspective never bridged, that the years never mended. Maybe they were too stubborn, he says now. Maybe they were just wired too wrong.
“It would’ve been nice to have that, but it wasn’t going to happen,” Krause said by phone from his suburban Chicago home. “And it’s probably better that it didn’t, because I don’t think we would’ve won as consistently. Michael was a different cat, and it was a different era of basketball.
“All the differences were created by unusual cir stances. We weren’t friends, and I still can’t call him a friend by any means. But I have a tremendous respect for him as an athlete and a compe or.”
Jordan needed enemies and slights to keep his edge – real and imagined – and Phil Jackson fed that with a cold-hearted manipulation. Krause was the easy target. Us against them became us against him. He was the slovenly scout who never looked the part, the GM whom the coaches and players were convinced wanted too much credit for the championship run. Jordan could be vicious, and forever spared no indignity with Krause.
Krause didn’t give Jordan everything, but he gave the most. He delivered Jordan history’s greatest coach in Jackson. He gave him Tex Winter and an unstoppable triangle offense. He gave him a Hall of Fame running mate, Scottie Pippen. Jerry Krause gave him a championship cast for three les, and when Jordan returned from baseball, the GM reshaped the roster for three more championships. Jordan couldn’t do it alone, and never did. Whatever Jordan wants to believe, no one in basketball has ever given more to his greatness than Jerry Krause. No one.
Jordan owes him a deep debt of gra ude in his Hall of Fame acceptance speech on Friday, and the Hall of Fame owes Krause a bid on the wall in the class of 2010. It’s a disgrace that Krause has never made it past the screening committee – never mind as a finalist. Krause doesn’t issue statements when he’s slighted and doesn’t enlist his famous pals to campaign for him. Truth be told, he excused himself as a member of the voting panel in 2004. He despised the process and became disillusioned he couldn’t sell Winter’s Hall candidacy as a contributor.
“I said that I would never step foot in that Hall of Fame again until Tex gets inducted, and I haven’t,” Krause said.
Sure, it’s strange. He says a telephone call from Jordan wouldn’t have moved him to Springfield, but Jerry Sloan would’ve tempted him. Krause drafted Mr. Bull as a scout for the Baltimore Bullets, as well as Wes Unseld and Earl Monroe. Yet, Krause made himself a Hall of Famer for his work with the Bulls. Rod Thorn drafted Jordan in 1984, but even Thorn will tell you: That was the easy part.
“When we got there, it was Michael and 11 other guys that I didn’t want,” Krause said.
Krause transformed the roster. He surrounded Jordan with rebounders, defenders and shooters. He hired Jackson out of the Continental Basketball Association to work on Doug Collins’ staff, and elevated him when he believed the Bulls became a championship contender.
“We hired Phil when nobody would hire him in the NBA,” Krause said. “He was getting ready to go to law school and get out of basketball. … We got along fine until some contractual things flamed up. Phil’s a great coach. Phil’s the best coach ever with good players.”
Jackson let Winter install the triangle offense, which allowed Jordan to score everywhere on the floor. He became unstoppable in the post and a willing passer to his teammates. Most of all, Krause used Olden Polynice to get him the draft rights to Pippen. In the GM’s mind, Krause and Jordan could see the game – the possibilities – through an agreeable lens.
“Michael was great at identifying things,” Krause said. “Would Pippen have been great someplace else? Michael absolutely killed Scottie in practice every day for his first two years. Mike just tore Pip up. He made Pip learn how to compete and forced him into playing hard. Had there not been someone to challenge Scottie like that, I’m not sure what would’ve happened to him.”
They would win three les to start the 1990s, and soon Jordan would lose his father, James, to an unspeakable murder and lose his good name to gambling debts with shady characters. It wouldn’t be long until Bulls owner Jerry Reinsdorf sent a messenger into the stands of a White Sox game late in the summer of 1993 and hustled Krause to his office. Michael is retiring, he told him.
“We won 55 games and it was the year [1993-94] that maybe I was the proudest of with the Bulls,” Krause said. “I appreciated that team. We ran the triangle better than any other team. We shared the ball.” The Bulls would lose to the Knicks in the Eastern Conference semifinals on Hue Hollins’ phantom foul call in Game 5. Had Jordan never walked away, Krause insists, “I think we would’ve won eight straight les.”
As Krause reshaped the roster with Toni Kukoc and Dennis Rodman and Ron Harper,
the Bulls won three more les. Krause became an object of ridicule on the team buses and in the newspapers. When Krause was famously quoted – misquoted, he still insists – about organizations winning championships, his coach and superstar twisted those words into an affront of their greatness.
“What I had said was that coaches and players alone don’t win championships, that organizations do, and Michael and Phil went a little nuts not knowing what I said,” Krause said. “I do believe organizations win and lose.”
He was right then, and he’s right now. After leaving the Bulls in 2003, Krause returned to his first love, baseball scouting, working for the Yankees and Mets. This winter, he left baseball, and this is the first time in 47 years that he doesn’t have a job. He’s working out. He’s lost 36 pounds. “I needed to take care of myself,” Krause said.
For once, Jordan needs to take care of him. He should stand up for Jerry Krause now, the way that he never did as a Bull. Older and wiser, Jordan should be more than a little humbled over how hard it is to build a championship basketball team. Krause never drafted Kwame Brown and Adam Morrison.
As much as anything, Jordan should understand that his journey to Springfield, to immortality, would’ve never been complete without that rumpled man he called Crumbs.
Jerry Krause will be home, watching on television and the game’s greatest player needs to take a moment out of his speech to honor Krause in a way he never did in the days of the dynasty. He doesn’t owe Krause everything, but he owes him a thank you. He owes Krause that bully pulpit to bless a deserving Hall of Fame candidacy, to honor the architect of the greatest dynasty since Red and Russell’s Celtics with a fitting ending for that frumpy old man.
Great article..confirms my charter stand on this issue.
So now I know you agree that Kobe was a malcontented loser his entire career without Jackson holding his hand.
Never said such.
So Pippen quitting his team over not getting his number called shows him as being a loser, while Kobe quitting on his team does not?
Please explain what separate the two incidents.
If you want my explanation go back and read my manifest on Kobe quitting.
So Pippen quitting his team over not getting his number called shows him as being a loser, while Kobe quitting on his team does not?
Please explain what separate the two incidents.
You talked about the difference between Kobe's quitting and Pippen's quitting?
I have trouble finding it, link please.
Tough. Go look, its back in the stacks somewhere.
ANd I repeat: You talked about the difference between Kobe's quitting and Pippen's quitting?
I looked, and all I could find were posts about you that goes off on a tangent when you are wrong and spewing much opinions as facts (wrong ones at that).
Can't find anything that you said that was really meaningful and insightful either.
Tough. Keep searching. It's there. & it was beautifully written. I had my together for it those days (I wrote it on two separate occasions). I'm not feeling it today, or, I'd repeat it. I'm off on this other tangent, toasting selfish Stockton's ass.
You mean Logo was listening all the way from TN.?
hahahahahaha!!!!!!
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