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Bye the bye, if pelosi ever does come back in one piece all these people who are disowning her will have her on their shoulders.
Wow that was biting..
I think Pelois is like one of those inflatable punching clowns. The Soros wing that co-opted the DNC paint a big old bulls eye on her forehead,Then they try and create a consent like say..dissent is racist...or dissent is nazis....or dissent is the kkk
Then they wheel her out in front of the mike and she spews the propaganda.If she comes back in one piece they refine the propaganda, if she comes back torn up in little peices they go back to the drawing board and try and assasinate the voices of dissent.
Bye the bye, if pelosi ever does come back in one piece all these people who are disowning her will have her on their shoulders.
You're, of course, leaving out a lot of context. The MoveOn.org goon approached the victim and verbally threatened him. It is also reported the MoveOn.org thug is quite a bit younger than the victim's 65 years.
And, what did Kenneth Gladney do to get nearly killed by SEIU thugs?
This is fair, to a point. Sure, there's a great big world to discuss. No problem there.
But your SOP is to take some extreme viewpoint and impute it to actual posters here, regardless of their actual views. This is belligerent, disrespectful and intellectually dishonest. And infuriating.
And you can't seem to stop doing it. You just did it to me, again.
There's no difference. Recording is promoting. Even resisting the meme promotes it.
Dan and Manny bit, so have at. Looks like you have some help with this meme.
Okay, I pulled up New Jersey on Google Earth and looked....didn't see anything. I'm kidding but, seriously, I don't know what you're talking about. What happened in New Jersey.
I even googled "New Jersey Racism Obama" and the first thing up was Maher's lame attempt to claim Drudge was imputing race in his headlines by putting "POLL : OBAMA NEGS RISE" under a picture of Obama.
Why that came up with that google, I don't know...but, nonetheless, I wasn't able to inform myself about what you're talking. Do enlighten me.
Frankly, I don't know why it's an issue. Obama won the election in spite of any racism. And, his policies are being opposed on the same grounds similar policies have been opposed when they were forwarded by white men (Kerry and Kennedy) and white women (Hillary).
Nothing, I've so far seen in this presidency, can be said to have been affected by racism. Period. That the issue gets raised only means, to me (and other people much smarter than me), the President's supporters don't have an argument that will justify the insanity of his proposals so, they impute racism on his opponents or, when that doesn't work, the claim the opponents are trying to foment violence.
Look, I think we disagree on my motivation for bringing subjects up in here. There may be some desire, on my part, to provoke a response but, c'mon, isn't that what makes this place interesting?
And, to the extent I impute extreme viewpoints on posters, in here; if that's been done unfairly, I apologize. I'll try to do better in the future.
Whack the hornet's nest, reap the swarm.
If you start showing a little class to other posters, I'll start showing a little class to you, micca.
"being opposed on the same grounds similar policies"
... that would hurt some corporations revenues.
And, about that "extreme viewpoint" phrase you posted, Winehole23. It may be extreme but these viewpoints are emanating from mainstream liberal politicians and media.
I think that to the extent such "extreme viewpoints" are given credence by the Majority leader in the Senate, the Speaker of the House, and a former President, they should rightly be painted on the remainder of the left political spectrum.
And, until the left stands up and refutes Reid, Pelosi, and Carter (and others), if you associate yourself in agreement with their other issues, you're going to get their extreme issues imputed into your motivations.
In simpler terms -- and on one particular issue -- if you support ObamaCare and don't refute the extreme viewpoints of major political supporters of his own party, then you can expect to be put in their bus. Sorry...
Fair enough. I like the rough and tumble too. It just seems the personalization goes overboard too often. I'm not innocent of that either, and to your credit, you've recognized that for yourself as well.
So will I.
Maybe I'm being too skeptical of you Yoni, but you just tried to dismiss me as a race-baiting nut. See what I mean?
I think the fact that Obama is a democrat has a lot more to do with the opposition than the fact that he is black.
However, I do agree with WH. It's a small number, but it's not insignificant. The fact that Obama is black just makes those that are racist (openly or closeted) a lot more vocal.
But really, what can you do, aside form educate? There will always be racism. There will always be bigotry. Yoni, what do you hope to accomplish from the discussion? I'm seriously asking, because I just try to ignore most of it.
Not really -- and it would take me going back and navel-gazing my own posts -- but, instead, I'll accept the criticism, be more sensitive to it in the future and just say, Kum-bah-yah, dude.
The media reports the controversy. They also reported Obama's dismissal of the view that racism is the primary motivation for disagreement with him, but I don't see you giving that any oxygen.
I disagree. Each person speaks for him/herself.I think that to the extent such "extreme viewpoints" are given credence by the Majority leader in the Senate, the Speaker of the House, and a former President, they should rightly be painted on the remainder of the left political spectrum.
Many people on the left and in the media stood up to say Carter's comments were overblown.And, until the left stands up and refutes Reid, Pelosi, and Carter (and others), if you associate yourself in agreement with their other issues, you're going to get their extreme issues imputed into your motivations.
Guilt by association is a logical fallacy, and you have done no more than infer my agreement with the Dems because I resist your unfair and sometimes very unreasonable characterizations.
For example, an anti-anti-communist wasn't necessarily a communist. Thinking the national security state and the military-industril complex represented a wrong turn for America doesn't make you pro-commie.
What makes you think I support Obamacare?
I spoken out clearly against it, many times. I'm one of the people who prefers the cost of inaction.
See what I mean?
I think it's more than that.
He's not just any Democrat. He was judged to be the most liberal democrat in Congress -- based on his voting record.
He has historically associated with extreme left-wing activists and -- right or wrong -- is viewed as sharing their views.
His domestic policies, so far, live up to this view. Nationalizing the car companies, wanting to control energy through cap and tax, and this socialist approach to health care are all in line with the extreme ideology with which his opponents have viewed him.
Really? Who has been more vocal due to their racism?
Yes, there will always be racism and bigotry but, it's yet to have proven to have anything to do with the current opposition to Obama. But, it seems that instead of arguing the merits of any Obama initiative, his supporters would rather ascribe age-old boogey men "racism" and "violence" in an attempt to silence them.
To his opponent's credit, they don't seem to be cowed by the labels anymore and Pelosi, Reid, Carter, et. al. are increasingly seen as the instigators they are. That's a good thing.
Here's an interesting article by the AP's Race and Ethnicity writer, Jesse Washington. It doesn't take either side but, instead, decries the use of racism in every context -- to the point it's lost all meaning. I think it's a fair article, even were it criticizes those with whom I agree.
Initially, I hoped to convince that racism doesn't play a part in the discussion but, I've given up on that. Now, I think we're just flaming each other.
[quote=Yonivore;3697321]Okay, I pulled up New Jersey on Google Earth and looked....didn't see anything. I'm kidding but, seriously, I don't know what you're talking about. What happened in New Jersey.
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/p...ase_NJ_916.pdfThere is a fair amount of political extremism among New Jersey voters, as there is everywhere right now. 21% of voters in the state don’t think Barack Obama is a natural born US citizen and 19% believe George W. Bush had advance knowledge of 9/11. 8% of voters go so far as to say they think Barack Obama is the Anti-Christ.
Racism is dead? Really?Nothing, I've so far seen in this presidency, can be said to have been affected by racism. Period.
There's no doubt this happens. But suggesting it is the only reason it happens is naive IMO. You continually suggest that racism is an exclusive fiefdom of professional race baiters. This is unrealistic, and your own race baiting -- echoing the continual crying of the right-wing blogosphere --proves it IMO.That the issue gets raised only means, to me (and other people much smarter than me), the President's supporters don't have an argument that will justify the insanity of his proposals so, they impute racism on his opponents or, when that doesn't work, the claim the opponents are trying to foment violence.
i'm surprised you feel that way about me, yoni.
i can only comment about the one encounter with a black man that you described.
perhaps you should have provided us with more than this one instance. it would, maybe, take out some of the creepiness from all of your racist threads.
[QUOTE=Winehole23;3697378]All that proves is New Jerseyans are idiots. Hasn't than been pretty much confirmed since they first reelected Lautenburg and that wig-wearer in prison? What was his name?
Okay, I think it's this type of statements that personalize the argument and cause me to strike back but, I'll resist.
You've mischaracterized my statement, I said, "Nothing I've seen, so far in this presidency, can be said to have been affected by racism." That's a bit different.
In fact, in a response to Cry Havoc, I explicitly acknowledge racism exists.
You know, it's hard not to harp on this topic when you have the Congressional leaders of the Democrat Party advancing the idea.
And, again, you make a personal attack on my motivations. And, again, I'll refrain from returning the favor.
See, here's a good example of fake humbrage, Winehole23.
No kumbayahs necessary. Nor any sensitivity. Just normal attention and civility to posters.
I don't think I ever suggested you have the corner on it. Fake umbrage is the common currency of political discourse, emanating from all sides.
umbrage
Whatever. Being the forum spellchecker doesn't pay well...you should probably seek other employment. I hear ACORN is hiring.
Is Yonivore still mad he can't call black people "negro's"?
I've only heard a handful of people say that dissent is racist. Is some of the dissent racist? Yes. It seems people get their panties in a wad because they don't know the difference between "some" and "all".
Man, Yoni turned this into another race thread pretty quickly.
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