Pau or Manu?

[romain.star]

The "most accomplished" intl player as you put it, is Manu. There's really nothing to debate here. Its a fact.

But the best int'l player (although it pains me to admit it) is probably Nowitzki.

when you look at their résumé, i don't think there's nothing to debate

as for the best international player, Dirk is clearly N°1; Pau, Manu, Yao and Tony being tied for N°2

[nkdlunch]

when you look at their résumé, i don't think there's nothing to debate

as for the best international player, Dirk is clearly N°1; Pau, Manu, Yao and Tony being tied for N°2

the olympic championship + 3 NBA championships alone put Manu ahead of Pau if counting accomplishments.

[TMTTRIO]

when you look at their résumé, i don't think there's nothing to debate

as for the best international player, Dirk is clearly N°1; Pau, Manu, Yao and Tony being tied for N°2

Well if you're talking about international players in the NBA THEN Manu's one step below those other players when it comes to accomplishments in the NBA but if your talking overall accomplisments then yes he should be up there.

[it's me]

when you look at their résumé, i don't think there's nothing to debate

as for the best international player, Dirk is clearly N°1; Pau, Manu, Yao and Tony being tied for N°2

lol @ Tony #2

[TwoHandJam]

Pau is a skilled player but I can never forget the fact that he couldn't even win a single playoff game (never mind a series) for years in the NBA until he was paired with Kobe. He just doesn't have the ability to lead a team to victory like Manu does.

[SenorSpur]

Manu - and it's not even close.

[lefty]

This thread is re ed...


Manu, of course.

[phxspurfan]

Pau is a skilled player but I can never forget the fact that he couldn't even win a single playoff game (never mind a series) for years in the NBA until he was paired with Kobe. He just doesn't have the ability to lead a team to victory like Manu does.

Swap Pau for Manu on the 02-05 Grizz and they don't make the playoffs.

That being said, Manu because he is a better fit for Los Espurs.

[IronMexican]

Pau about a million times over. You almost always take the big.

[HarlemHeat37]

Manu for accomplishments, but Gasol is clearly better right now..

[silverblackfan]

Personally, I pick Manu for what he has done up to now. If both are healthy this year, I still think Manu is more deadly, clutch, smart, craft, etc... That being said, Gasol has become one of a big man and with the Lakers could continue to climb in the standings vs Manu.
Should be an interesting year.

[024]

manu has done more but i would take pau gasol over ginobili no questions asked right now.

[TIMMYD!]

Manu, Luck The Fakers

[TIMMYD!]

Personally, I pick Manu for what he has done up to now. If both are healthy this year, I still think Manu is more deadly, clutch, smart, craft, etc... That being said, Gasol has become one of a big man and with the Lakers could continue to climb in the standings vs Manu.
Should be an interesting year.

If he was as good as other big men, he would have done more with the Grizzlies.

[temujin]

Pau is not even the best of the Gasolios.

Ginobili should be put in different sentence, please.

[kace]

What would be interesting is if you prefer manu or pau in the spurs.

I think a combo Gasol Duncan would be awsome

i prefer manu. but we would be better with Pau, that's for sure. but it's not really a fair comparison since great big men are way much rare, and so valuable, than guards.

[JamStone]

If he was as good as other big men, he would have done more with the Grizzlies.

Overly harsh and unwarranted criticism.

Drafted by a really ty team, he stepped in as a 21 year old international player and played 37 minutes and put up 18 ppg and 9 rpg as a rookie. In their 14 year history, the Grizzlies have had only 3 winning seasons and 3 seasons they made the playoffs, all with Pau Gasol as their best player, starting in his third season in the NBA. With Pau Gasol not on the Grizzlies roster, in their entire history, their next best season was last year when they went 24-58 for a .293 winning percentage.

I know there are some people that love to downgrade players they hate, try to bash them or make them appear like they're not as good as they really are. But, any criticism of Pau Gasol based on what he couldn't help the Grizzlies do when he was there is really short-sighted and lacks a real understanding of what he actually did do for that organization when he was there.

[JamStone]

Pau about a million times over. You almost always take the big.

Insightful use of the word "almost" lest you get blasted with a Kobe v. Duncan argument.

[Muser]

Pau is not even the best of the Gasolios.

Yeah, because Marc puts up much bigger numbers than his brother...

[Spursfan 87]

manu hands down

[lotr1trekkie]

Dirk is a loser like the Mavs team. He's a 7' AI. Great numbers but he doesn't make his team better because he doesn't play D, his passing is mediocre, he can't rebound and I would always want Manu taking the LAST shot over Dirt. actually, TP may be the best foreign player on the planet. Pau is nothing without KOBE!

[Muser]

Dirk is a 7 foot AI? Now i've heard it all.

[Rummpd]

Dirk is the best all-round big man since Larry Bird retired, btw.

Best around choke artist who does not play a bit of defense, weak rebounder for size, cannot block shots, and not in Shaq's or Duncan's league with an assist pass - what a friggin joke of a comment!

[Rummpd]

Insightful use of the word "almost" lest you get blasted with a Kobe v. Duncan argument.

I would always take a healthy Duncan over Kobe anytime to start a team - Duncan's teams have the highest winning percentage ever. Kobe has one le as the dominant player on his team vs. 4 by Duncan.

[bbarry]

Assuming both players are healthy, I would take Manu easily. Otherwise Pau, quite easily.