Wow.....there really needs to be a playoff.

[MajorMike]

the BSC rules, you guys absolutely don't get it,

The Boise State Council?

Big Sports Commission?

[vander]

That argument is tired Vander. If there was a playoff your team would actually have a legit chance to play for a national championship, and well they should. To say a playoff would take the steam out of the regular season is horse . College football is built on tradition and rivalries, which will ensure that the regular season always matters. We need a playoff system badly, as well as the banning of all polls until October.

so you would advocate a playoffs on top of the BCS, that I guess would be OK, but the people that hate the BCS don't have any clue about what College Football would be with any other alternative

I'd be fine with a +1, but that's about it, you can't have USC losing to Washington or Oklahoma losing to BYU and still getting a shot at the le, that ruins the regular season completely.

And BSU has no business in a le game, they will most likely get destroyed in the fiesta bowl this year.

if BSU wants to make the le game, they have to either schedule tougher OoC, or ditch the WAC, but when you can almost make the Fiesta Bowl by default and you know your team isn't close to a Florida or Texas or USC, why do that?

If BYU would have beaten FSU, and gone undefeated, they would have most likely made the le game this year, the BSC works even for the little guy, in BSU's case, it favor's tje little guy.

you have to get over your fear of some possibly-deserving team not making the le game, a playoff won't really help crown a more deserving Champion, look at the NFL: how often does the "best team" really win it all? NY wasn't Better than the Pats, and the Pats weren't better than the Rams a few years earlier. the NFL playoffs is almost a crapshoot, and you can get into the crapshoot with an 8-8 record, THAT is the system that needs to be fixed, not the BCS

[vander]

The Boise State Council?

Big Sports Commission?

whoops, I do that all the time, and have to go back and fix it, must have missed that one

[Spursfan092120]

If BYU would have beaten FSU, and gone undefeated, they would have most likely made the le game this year, the BSC works even for the little guy, in BSU's case, it favor's tje little guy.

this has been discussed already. No way anybody jumps Florida or Texas if they win out.

[vander]

this has been discussed already. No way anybody jumps Florida or Texas if they win out.

yeah, But Texas will slip up somewhere

[Spursfan092120]

yeah, But Texas will slip up somewhere

where?

[vander]

where?

if I knew exactly, I wouldn't have said somewhere

[Spursfan092120]

if I knew exactly, I wouldn't have said somewhere

[manufan10]

Says that guy that keeps on bumping his own idiotic thread, since no one cares to take the bait.

[fyatuk]

yeah, But Texas will slip up somewhere

They do tend to, don't they...

[TFloss32]

I will always agree that a playoff is needed in college football...but not because of what happened this past weekend. Ole Miss, Penn State, Cal and Miami all lost because they're overhyped and haven't played any decent compe ion until last weekend. It'll be interesting to see how these teams finish out the rest of the season now that they've been brought back down to Earth (especially Miami). I'm ashamed of myself for drinking the Miami/Jacory Harris Kool-Aid. They played a good defense for once and got smashed.

[mookie2001]

bad reasoning, if there were 8 undefeated powerhouses and the top 10 had stayed the same all season it would be even more of an argument for a playoff

[lebomb]

I will always agree that a playoff is needed in college football...but not because of what happened this past weekend. Ole Miss, Penn State, Cal and Miami all lost because they're overhyped and haven't played any decent compe ion until last weekend.

That statement right there is the reason there needs to be a playoff system. Look at all other sports............ALL OTHER SPORTS! You play who in front of you. Doesnt matter if they are considered elite or not. Golden State knocked off the ass Mavericks and they were severe underdogs.........if you are the best........you beat who you play period.

[vander]

That statement right there is the reason there needs to be a playoff system. Look at all other sports............ALL OTHER SPORTS! You play who in front of you. Doesnt matter if they are considered elite or not. Golden State knocked off the ass Mavericks and they were severe underdogs.........if you are the best........you beat who you play period.

except neither Golden State or Dallas was the best team, so, where were you going with that?

and no other sport is remotely similar to College Football, why should College football want to be more like other sports, it's already far more popular than all of them, save possibly the NFL.

[lebomb]

except neither Golden State or Dallas was the best team, so, where were you going with that?

and no other sport is remotely similar to College Football, why should College football want to be more like other sports, it's already far more popular than all of them, save possibly the NFL.

Your argument will never hold water because FBS college football is exactly like any other sport or football league, college or not. No one has ever come up with a good argument as to why college football should not have a playoff like all other sports. And we are talking about hundreds of other events world wide. We can continue on with a mythical champ if you would like.

Spurrier was on ESPN a few weeks back and said he STILL doesnt understand why there is no playoff.

[lebomb]

except neither Golden State or Dallas was the best team, so, where were you going with that?

The point being..............Dallas was a #1 seed and Golden State a #7 or #8, yet with a playoff, they kicked Dallas ass. Without a playoff, Dallas would have moved on, yet werent really a better team.

[vander]

The point being..............Dallas was a #1 seed and Golden State a #7 or #8, yet with a playoff, they kicked Dallas ass. Without a playoff, Dallas would have moved on, yet werent really a better team.

no it only means that GS rose up and beat Dallas in that series, no different than Washington rising up and beating USC, Dallas and USC were still the better teams.

IMO GS shouldn't have made the playoffs anyways, the NBA and College Basketball are shining examples of boring, meaningless regular seasons. In the NBA, teams that fight for a playoff spot over the last month of the regular season are not going to win the le anyways, and in the rare fluke occurrence that they did, they wouldn't have deserved it, they did not prove themselves worthy through the regular season. the NBA needs to cut the playoff field in half, or at least shave off 4 teams and do the bye week thing like the NFL.

[lebomb]

no it only means that GS rose up and beat Dallas in that series, no different than Washington rising up and beating USC, Dallas and USC were still the better teams.

IMO GS shouldn't have made the playoffs anyways, the NBA and College Basketball are shining examples of boring, meaningless regular seasons. In the NBA, teams that fight for a playoff spot over the last month of the regular season are not going to win the le anyways, and in the rare fluke occurrence that they did, they wouldn't have deserved it, they did not prove themselves worthy through the regular season. the NBA needs to cut the playoff field in half, or at least shave off 4 teams and do the bye week thing like the NFL.

Hugh??? Ok......... whatever. Based on this thinking. Boise St. will never win the championship......You can book that. You are basically saying they dont deserve to be there, or even have a chance at it. *shrugs*

[lebomb]

no it only means that GS rose up and beat Dallas in that series, no different than Washington rising up and beating USC, Dallas and USC were still the better teams.

IMO GS shouldn't have made the playoffs anyways, the NBA and College Basketball are shining examples of boring, meaningless regular seasons. In the NBA, teams that fight for a playoff spot over the last month of the regular season are not going to win the le anyways, and in the rare fluke occurrence that they did, they wouldn't have deserved it, they did not prove themselves worthy through the regular season. the NBA needs to cut the playoff field in half, or at least shave off 4 teams and do the bye week thing like the NFL.

A rare fluke? Best out of 7?? What did they need to do?? play best out of 20? GS still would have won. Whatever...........back on point. How come all other sporting events have it wrong but FBS college football has it riiiiiight?

[vander]

A rare fluke? Best out of 7?? What did they need to do?? play best out of 20? GS still would have won. Whatever...........back on point. How come all other sporting events have it wrong but FBS college football has it riiiiiight?

who has more fans/viewers/money: all other sporting events or College Football?
and that point aside, all other sporting events are not college football, college football is a very different beast on many levels, the amount of teams, games, players, money, disparity, etc in college football all make for a unique sport with unique demands of its champion-crowning system

and on the first thing you said, I was not referring to GS beating the Mavs, but the off chance that a 6, 7, or 8 seed would win the championship. you should understand what you are refuting before you bust out the lol's

[lebomb]

who has more fans/viewers/money: all other sporting events or College Football?

With a playoff, it would be even more HUGE, because all teams would have a chance.

Lets see.............if we just had the Yankess, Red sox, dodgers in baseball.........Duke, Carolina, Kansas, Kentucky in College Bball, or Dallas, Pittsburg, New England as the only one that could contend for a championship. Yep, that would be fun.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

The BCS is a joke. Playoffs are long overdue. Of course as long as Texas can keep playing cupcakes and stay in the top 5 you won't get many complaints here.

yeah considering almost all of us almost always about the bcs almost every year.

[vander]

With a playoff, it would be even more HUGE, because all teams would have a chance.

Lets see.............if we just had the Yankess, Red sox, dodgers in baseball.........Duke, Carolina, Kansas, Kentucky in College Bball, or Dallas, Pittsburg, New England as the only one that could contend for a championship. Yep, that would be fun.

nope, the regular season would lose a lot of interest, people would just wait until the playoffs like they do with those sports you mention there.


oh and all teams have a chance, the BCS does a great job factoring in SoS, if you schedule the big time programs, you'll have a chance at the le.

and a Cinderella team in Football is much different than, say, basketball, where one single recruit like Morrison or Curry can put you in serious contention.
In college football, teams are 50 athletes deep, and teams like BSU have no shot at any player that USC or LSU decides they want, a great college football team does NOT come out of nowhere, they are built slowly. BSU's rise from Division II some 20 years ago is about as fast as you will ever see a team rise, and in that time, they had plenty of time to start scheduling better opponents or lobbying to get into a different conference. up until recently, BSU made no attempt to hide the fact that they were content to schedule and run over weak teams.

and once again, without the BSC, who gets into your playoffs, what are the rules?

[symple19]

so you would advocate a playoffs on top of the BCS, that I guess would be OK, but the people that hate the BCS don't have any clue about what College Football would be with any other alternative

I'd be fine with a +1, but that's about it, you can't have USC losing to Washington or Oklahoma losing to BYU and still getting a shot at the le, that ruins the regular season completely.

And BSU has no business in a le game, they will most likely get destroyed in the fiesta bowl this year.

if BSU wants to make the le game, they have to either schedule tougher OoC, or ditch the WAC, but when you can almost make the Fiesta Bowl by default and you know your team isn't close to a Florida or Texas or USC, why do that?

If BYU would have beaten FSU, and gone undefeated, they would have most likely made the le game this year, the BSC works even for the little guy, in BSU's case, it favor's tje little guy.

you have to get over your fear of some possibly-deserving team not making the le game, a playoff won't really help crown a more deserving Champion, look at the NFL: how often does the "best team" really win it all? NY wasn't Better than the Pats, and the Pats weren't better than the Rams a few years earlier. the NFL playoffs is almost a crapshoot, and you can get into the crapshoot with an 8-8 record, THAT is the system that needs to be fixed, not the BCS

As I said in the other thread, you would still need polls to have a playoff. Start them in October instead of pre-season, first of all. Then, you form a selection committee like in CBB to select the final teams(however many that may be, I say 10). Next, you have the playoff games in the BCS bowls, while the remaining teams play in all the other normal bowls. I could even go for a bye for the top 2 seeds(based on polls, not the selection committee), thus putting more importance on the regular season.

Rivalries and tradition are what college football is built on, so I don't see any way the reg season is hurt by a playoff. Auburn/Alabama, Ohio St/Michigan, Miami/FSU, Florida/UGA, USC/UCLA, Oregon/Oregon St,Michigan/Notre Dame, and on and on. None of these matchups will deteriorate in intensity or importance with a playoff.

And Vander, didn't your victory over Oklahoma a few years ago show you that you can play with the big-boys? , you beat Oregon this year! Or Utah last year vs Bama? TCU is beating BCS teams every weekend it seems like. The fact that small conference teams get screwed every year pisses me off, and i'm an SEC fan!

[romad_20]

As I said in the other thread, you would still need polls to have a playoff. Start them in October instead of pre-season, first of all. Then, you form a selection committee like in CBB to select the final teams(however many that may be, I say 10). Next, you have the playoff games in the BCS bowls, while the remaining teams play in all the other normal bowls. I could even go for a bye for the top 2 seeds(based on polls, not the selection committee), thus putting more importance on the regular season.

Rivalries and tradition are what college football is built on, so I don't see any way the reg season is hurt by a playoff. Auburn/Alabama, Ohio St/Michigan, Miami/FSU, Florida/UGA, USC/UCLA, Oregon/Oregon St,Michigan/Notre Dame, and on and on. None of these matchups will deteriorate in intensity or importance with a playoff.

And Vander, didn't your victory over Oklahoma a few years ago show you that you can play with the big-boys? , you beat Oregon this year! Or Utah last year vs Bama? TCU is beating BCS teams every weekend it seems like. The fact that small conference teams get screwed every year pisses me off, and i'm an SEC fan!

I second this.

I would rather see a champion crowned on the field. That is what is supposed to be great about sports, the champion beats everyone else to take it. The players should be in control, not the voters or computer rankings.

I also don't think it will affect rivalries at all. They mean just as much each year and conference les are a big deal as well.