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  1. 10-01-2009 #26
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    I'm happy that he proved no matter what your background is (race, family life, etc) you can succeed.
    I'm happy that he moved people to actually participate in the voting process no matter if they knew what they were voting for or not.

    Not much past that, and as I've stated here before I pray for him and this country everyday.
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  2. 10-01-2009 #27
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarrinS
    But Kobe can actually back up his talk.
    True. I think the left is getting more and more upset because theyre starting to realize that he isnt a leader and he's not going to bring the change they all signed up for. He wont fight for the left on any social issue because its too damaging to his appeal to conservatives.

    Eventually, I believe more and more people will start to realize how disingenuous he is.

    I feel like I see right through him. He doesnt have a clue what to do on Afghanistan. He thought that one was gonna be easy (send more troops, catch Bin Laden, be a hero) but its turning out to be a real tough choice he's gonna have to make that will have REAL CONSEQUENCES for millions and millions of people as well as his legacy in the history books (which is what he really cares about).

    So he's in "tell me what to do" mode right now. As I pointed out in another thread, he asks Colin Powell to white house to ask him what to do. He's meeting with dozens of different advisers asking what to do.

    Meanwhile, John McCain has already stated a week ago what he thinks the President should do (have the generals testify before congress). He didnt have to meet with a million different advisers before making a decision. Right now, I wish he was in charge.
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    I think he'd be a great talk show host.
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  4. 10-01-2009 #29
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarrinS
    I think he'd be a great talk show host.
    Only if the topic was always about him.
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    this thread is full of great minds.
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    I'm happy he hasn't "Spread the wealth"... yet.
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    I must admit, It's a lot easier for GOP Presidents to get things done....they just ask their rich corporate lobbyist to write their own laws and self-regulate and the corrupt GOP Congress approves it...
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    ,,,Obama saved us from the Bush Depression and complete financial meltdown...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nbadan
    ,,,Obama saved us from the Bush Depression and complete financial meltdown...
    And how did he manage to do that?
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    ..were've you been? he loosened the credit markets...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nbadan
    ..were've you been? he loosened the credit markets...
    How?
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    ...by making capital available to cash-strapped banks...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nbadan
    ...by making capital available to cash-strapped banks...
    How'd he do that?
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    ...google is your friend..
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    How about you make it your friend and give me a specific example as to something Obama did to rescue us from the "Bush depression".
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    i wouldn't bother with it dan.
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    your a drone...

    1. 2009 Housing Stimulus Bill: All qualified first time home buyers will be eligible to get a tax credit of $8000 for any a house purchased between Jan 1 2009 to Dec 1 2009. For details like income limits or definition of first time home buyer, etc. of this $8000 first time home buyer tax credit read my post of 2009 Housing Stimulus details explained.

    2. 2009 Auto Stimulus: For all new vehicles/cars below a price of $49,500 between Feb 17 2009 to Dec 31 2009, there will be a special auto stimulus tax deduction under which sales tax and local state taxes like excite tax as well as interest on the auto loan will be eligible for tax deduction when you file your 2009 Federal Tax return. Read my post on 2009 Auto Stimulus for New Car purchases- details explained.

    3. Cash for Clunkers : A stimulus or incentive program which offers you $3500 or $4500 for your qualifying old car when you purchase a new car. Thinking of buying a car? Don't miss my posts on Auto Stimulus mentioned above and Cash for Clunkers. Note that this is not the part of the Obama's economic stimulus package but was passed later.

    4. Subs ute for Stimulus Checks 2009- Making work Pay tax credit: Instead of Stimulus payments in 2009, the Obama economic stimulus package contains tax credits of $400 for qualifying individual tax payers and $800 for married couples. Read my post on Making work pay tax credit stimulus details explained.

    5. 2009 Recovery Rebate Tax Credit: Those who did not recieve stimulus paychecks in 2008, may be eligible to receive a IRS stimulus payment called Recovery Rebate Tax credit. Read my post on 2009 Stimulus Checks.

    6. $250 Social Security payment check in 2009 - Stimulus checks for everyone who is eligible to receive SSI and social security benefits during Nov 2008 and Jan 2009. Read my post on 250 Social Security Stimulus in 2009.

    7. Other Tax Credits / Stimuli : There are still some additions to the above list. For example the Solar Tax Credit (this is not the part of Obama's economic stimulus package, but still an economic incentive).
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    None of those have anything to do with banks or credit markets.

    Nor have any of them done anything to boost the economy.
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    February 2009: Obama stimulus $787 billion in broad stimulus package
    February 2009: Obama stimulus $75 billion for distressed homeowners
    February 2009: Obama stimulus $200 billion for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
    March 2009: Obama stimulus $30 billion for AIG
    March 2009: Obama Stimulus $15 billion for small business lending
    March 2009: Obama Stimulus $1 trillion to get toxic assets off bank’s troubled asset sheets
    March 2009: Obama Stimulus $22 billion for Big 3 Automakers Chrysler and GM
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    So basically Obama just copied Bush and handed out a bunch of money to the banks, aig and the auto industry. I guess that means you approve of how Bush handled the crisis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nbadan
    February 2009: Obama stimulus $787 billion in broad stimulus package
    February 2009: Obama stimulus $75 billion for distressed homeowners
    February 2009: Obama stimulus $200 billion for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
    March 2009: Obama stimulus $30 billion for AIG
    March 2009: Obama Stimulus $15 billion for small business lending
    March 2009: Obama Stimulus $1 trillion to get toxic assets off bank’s troubled asset sheets
    March 2009: Obama Stimulus $22 billion for Big 3 Automakers Chrysler and GM
    So you are happy he is destroying my children's wealth?

    OK...
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    3. Cash for Clunkers : A stimulus or incentive program which offers you $3500 or $4500 for your qualifying old car when you purchase a new car. Thinking of buying a car? Don't miss my posts on Auto Stimulus mentioned above and Cash for Clunkers. Note that this is not the part of the Obama's economic stimulus package but was passed later.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sportcamper
    I am happy with the cash for clunker program….I traded in an old truck for a new one & doubled my gas mileage…
    That was great for you. Who paid for that stuff, Obama?
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    Speaking of cash for clunkers.............


    U.S. auto sales fell 23% in September after the end of the federal government's "cash for clunkers" incentive program, with General Motors Co. and Chrysler Group LLC suffering the sharpest declines.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125440186148556087.html
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  25. 10-01-2009 #50
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    OBAMA has done what I expected him to do...and the main reason I didn't vote for McCain.

    McCain and the GOP have been socialist lite now for 20+ yrs. Socialism has been implemented incrementally for this entire period.

    OBAMA and Demo's would have gotten everything they ever wanted...nationalized health care, increasing govt regulations, increased taxes, cuts in military, increased enviro regs, etc. They would have gotten everything...if they were willing to wait and do it incrementally.

    Incrementalism is the cornerstone for Socialist success in the US.

    OBAMA has done the one thing I knew he would do, and the reason I didn't support the GOP this election.

    He got greedy.

    OBAMA is trying to implement almost every socialist ideal, in one fell swoop. Americans, in the majority...are not socialists. They've accepted Socialism because it's been done almost imperceptibly. A little here...a little there. GOP has created myriads of new govt departments, regulations, and spending. And it was hard for the vast majority of Republican voters to criticize them for it, because...after all, the democrats just wanted to do more of it.

    So it continued to grow...and grow...and grow. And would have continued to grow...incrementally. Giving every Leftist everything they wanted, except, perhaps...the crowing that they did it.

    Now, along comes OBAMA. And the lines could not be more clear. We have a full fledged marxist/socialist in the White House...and he wants to imlement it all, and right now.

    Incrementally, people were too busy with their lives to pay it all much attention. When it's thrown in your face all at once, people who normally don't pay attention...start to.

    The recent demonstrations were done by people who haven't been involved or paying attention for most of their lives. The people who were accepting socialist incrementalism, because it was too little over too long a period to get riled up about each increment.

    OBAMA has been able to clearly differentiate in their minds what they don't like about Socialism. OBAMA, in just a few months...has done something I knew McCain could not do. He has united Liberty loving people across this country. United them in a way they could not unite under any GOP administration.

    There could not be a more clear cut Socialist/Marxist than OBAMA. The US was never founded to be socialist/marxist or communist. It's not what this country was ever meant to be. It's success was built on the exact opposite principles. For the people to see where this country was headed, incrementally...they had to be shown all at once.

    Socialism is now being shown all at once. People who weren't paying attention before....are. The resulting uprising of sentiment against it...is joy to me and truely gives me hope.

    People are more aware than ever before what is happening, and has been happening for decades. People are more active against Socialist power grabs than I've seen in quite some time. People who have been quiet...are no longer.

    This is the one thing I was hoping for when I didn't vote GOP.

    This is the one thing I thank OBAMA for.
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