"There is no place in a congressional debate for this kind of hyperbolic, hyperpartisan attack. It's toxic"
What was the Sentinel's take on "You Lie!"
As always the bullying, less Repugs and conservatives spew nasty stuff non-stop, but when somebody sends it back, they whine like little es.
Makes sense. The GOP already admitted that they're going to oppose any bill with "health care" in the le, even if it introduced a flat tax, eliminated Medicaid/Medicare, and brought Reagan back to life.
It's nice to see some Dems show a spine, at the least.
Lots of moving parts: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=aIrf9uoyT0Rw
As if republicans could actually stop anything the dems want to do.
Don't they have a supermajority?
I smell incompetence. Evidently, so does Jon Stewart.
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/we...super-majority
Actually, hardcore liberals don't like Reid, because he tends to waffle on most progressive issues.
It's their job to try, and to break the 60-40 supermajority, they only need to peel off one Democratic senator.As if republicans could actually stop anything the dems want to do.
So basically they're softening up the fines for not having insurance, thus creating a greater incentive to just pay the fines and not get insurance.
Still no mention of how to pay for this either.
"60-40 supermajority"
false, Blue Dogs kill any supermajority, on health care reform and very probably immigration reform next year. reconciliation is the only way Dems will get anything done.
They don't have to do much. The American people can see what a train wreck this current congress is.
Limit the excise, pad out the benefits. Classic Capitol Hill arithmetic.
no they got George Soros.
It's such a crisis that the Dems don't want any changes they come up with to take effect until 2013.
You should have whiplash, Darrin.
First you suggest the GOP is powerless to stop the Dems, and then you turn around and suggest in the very next post that their downfall is already complete -- that people can already see it, and the GOP could easily get a singleton vote from the Dems.
Which is it?
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He did vote for Obama and then turn around and do nothing but bash him. What do you expect WH? This is Darrin's MO.
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I respect a politician who does not apologize.
I doubt that Americans will keep seeing the Democrats as the party of bipartisanship if they pursuit this kind of modus operandis, unless the Republicans are very clumsy. It's going to be difficult to campaign on change and bi-partisanship when you're the status quo and were unable to achieve any kind of bipartisanship compromises - in fact, aggravating the diviseness and soureness between the lines. Trying to blame the other side when you're the one with the power simply won't work.
There won't be any kind of consensus about the sucess of a health-care bill, especially if the republicans are smart enough to link the threshold to the most ardent campaign rethoric.
Of course they don't, hardcore liberals are ideological fanaticists and they tend to dislike everybody except those of their own brand and Reid isn't one of them - if he was, he wouldn't be a Senator for Nevada. That's exactly my point: what excites hardcore liberals isn't what excites Reid's voting coalition.
The same was said of their predecessors but they did it efficiently, for awhile.I doubt that Americans will keep seeing the Democrats as the party of bipartisanship if they pursuit this kind of modus operandis
See them now.
Is there a connection? Who knows?
Sometimes the opposition is told to go away, while the law is written by the majority. This isn't a first ever, by a long shot. It happened in the previous administration.
Tax cuts? Reconciliation rules, 51 votes wins? Am I wrong about this having happened fairly recently?
"the Democrats as the party of bipartisanship"
Tast time I looked, it "bi-" takes two parties.
Magic Negro/Dems have clearly, for anybody who bothers to look, been trying to work with the Repugs. The Repugs clearly have refused to cooperate on anything, while offering nothing, like a health plan or a budget with numbers. The le for the Repugs is the Pary of No. They can't shake it. Sorta like the "Christians" can't shake racist label, esp. now they they've aliged with the racist tea-partiers.
If the Dems force through stuff without the Repugs, including reconciliation in the Senate, they will only be doing to the Repugs what the Repugs did to them for 6 years. Fair enough.
The poll numbers are what they are. The GOP is weak and you'd be hard pressed to find a weaker opposition in quite some time. The public opinion is on the side of the Democrats and its going to take a of a lot more than this after month after month after month of stalling by the GOP to change that.
What you're saying makes sense only if you take it out of the context that the majority of this country wants health care reform, wants it to come with a public option, and sees the GOP as nothing more than blocking it.
Manny,
The GOP can't stall . The dems finally have complete control and you are witnessing what they're doing with it.
http://www.pollster.com/blogs/assess..._gop_brand.php
In short, there's no question that the GOP party brand is in worse shape than any opposition party in recent memory. The question, however, is whether this difference in party valence will (a) persist through next November and (b) translate into fewer GOP House seats at the polls, especially once we account for the generic Congressional ballot, which should (in principle) take much of this difference into account (see Alan Abramowitz's model, for instance). Those questions remain to be addressed.
The Democrats have political capital to spend right now. Mogro is right in that they're likely to lose that, but doing nothing is worthless because you're not likely to retain that capital even if you do what the GOP wants. Thats not the way the game works.
You either get your done now while you can, or you can forget about ever getting it done.
Yes, I know this the latest meme you've latched onto but that doesn't make it any more true.
That was the horn you blew last time. Nice to know where you come out on this.
The timekeeper on the home court shouldn't call the game too quick, if we're behind.
I'm guessing you're just a fan, rooting for the loss so the winners can be blamed. The dems could still be stopped, though. Peel off one guy or gal. Getting to 60 votes is hard.
You're for giving up on beating the bill now? Letting it pass?
Huh?
Well, and Bush campaigned as a uniter and conciliator in 2000 just to run as the decider and being seen as an extremely divisive and polarizing character in 2004. Of course this happens, I'm just saying they can't expect to eat the cake and keep it.
I wouldn't puch much stock in brand polls. People perceive the country going into the wrong direction and see the Congress with despise. Whoever holds the power will be punished. The Party of No is partisan vitrol as convincing to the regular voter as the Party of Death.
Political cycles are getting smaller and smaller. The more a party is seen as governing in a partisan fashion, the more independents and centrists will run away from that party, even if the policies aren't really radical.
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