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    btw, WAY OT, talking about high end:

    Twice I've seen a black Maybach, chauffered (of course), opaque windows, heading south on 10, then east on 410, then south on 281. both times about 6:15 PM

    I figure it's somebody from the Dominion.

    Anybody guess or know who?

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    It's a sweet deal for Fisker. But pointing out the difference between private R&D and subsidized R&D doesn't get you to conflict of interest.
    The most obvious conflict of interest is the one between the taxpayer and the Fisker ownership.

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    If fox left this out of the report then they are not telling the truth.
    Of course they aren't. You'd expect them to recognize that? They'll ignore it along with Wild , Jacks Some off, etc.

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    The most obvious conflict of interest is the one between the taxpayer and the Fisker ownership.
    Speaking of "interest" to the tax payer.

    The funds will be repaid, with interest, to the American taxpayer.

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    The most obvious conflict of interest is the one between the taxpayer and the Fisker ownership.
    True enough, but it's not the one implied by CC, I think. The folklorical gloss of this is that Al Gore being an owner of Fisker and Obama being in the WH somehow makes the subsidy self-dealing or corrupt.

    I can understand why eyebrows are raised; but I have yet to hear any persuasive account of Gore's conflict of interest or the government's.

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    Speaking of "interest" to the tax payer.

    The funds will be repaid, with interest, to the American taxpayer.


    IF R&D can actually design the car they are promising. All they have so far is a sexy picture of a proposed body style and a bunch of hot air.

    Do you REALLY think that if it was that easy that Toyota and Honda wouldn't have already done a 150mph prototype with a 50 mile range?

    THEN they have to build it and sell it at a profit before they can make a dime.

    15,000 units a year? how much profit per unit does your fantasy want them to make? $10,000?

    they STILL can't pay the loan off. End of story. Taxpayer ed again.

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    IF R&D can actually design the car they are promising. All they have so far is a sexy picture of a proposed body style and a bunch of hot air.

    Do you REALLY think that if it was that easy that Toyota and Honda wouldn't have already done a 150mph prototype with a 50 mile range?

    THEN they have to build it and sell it at a profit before they can make a dime.

    15,000 units a year? how much profit per unit does your fantasy want them to make? $10,000?

    they STILL can't pay the loan off. End of story. Taxpayer ed again.
    Tesla is already paying back their loans. They're even expanding. Shows how much you know.

    Toyota has already done it, the RAV 4 EV. They used batteries under the GM label and it was quite successful. GM sold the battery patent and licensing to Chevron and they haven't been used since. Makes it kind of hard to make a profit if the key technology is being held by a obvious conflict of interest. That is why Li-ion batteries are being used now, NiMH was ready over a decade ago.

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    LOL

    I don't hate green technology.
    I like green technology too. I wish I could recall where I saw the problems associated with the pollution footprint of these electric cars. You see, battery production isn't that green, and green disposal of them is costly...

    Anyone know where such linked studies are by chance?

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