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    This decade has had a pronounced increase in the gap between the rich and the poor. It hold true to the Idea that Republicans get rich people richer. The only problem is that they screw everything else up in the process.

    This will correct later, rather than sooner.

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    What makes you think so? With all the unemployment, bankruptcy and default, I'd expect the rich to get even richer, relatively speaking.

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    The hard working, intelligent, & passionate still get ahead. That is natural law. No man-made system or boundaries can with natural law.

    No reason in listening to losers tell you, you will lose.

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    that's one of the worst report I have ever read. Not a single thing substantiated. The charts are hilarious, Total Tax. Lets break that down.

    We already know personal and corporate are out of the picture.

    So that leads us to Payroll Taxes (Social Security and Medicare). Lets not mention lower income tax brackets receive way more out of those programs than they put in, so those are out.

    What's left? Estate Taxes... nope.

    Excise taxes? Are we really going to include the cost of cigarettes and Alcohol?

    That leaves us with Sales Taxes. Now redo the entire study using Sales Taxes to make it legitimate.
    The results are similar to stuff I dug up some years back. If you don't like it, find your own reports. I would guess, though, with the emphasis on only the Federal income tax in the "let's feel sorry for rich guys" articles, that you won't find much support for your presuppositions.

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    What % of the population pays taxes doesn't mean . It's how much total revenue collected that means something.

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    It sure as means something if you're in the half that has to provide the revenue the government collects.

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    "had skin in the game"

    what bull . People who are too poor to pay income taxes are living from week to week and for the most part, even like people in the middle class, feel totally disconnected and powerless from what's going in DC.

    btw, other industrial countries with much higher taxes (and universal health coverage as "en lement") all give income tax breaks to people on the low end. Only small proportion of the working population actually pays income taxes.

    "800lb gorilla is en lement spending"

    what bull . the problem is what healthcare costs, that requires the exorbitant level of spending.

    But none of you righties want to blame the healthcare industry for its criminal ripoff and fraudulent practices.
    dc is all libs. there is also no reason and pointing to other countries who have the upper 50% pay the taxes. It is a great sales pitch to get elected. "i am going to make a law, payed by the rich, to (allegedly) help the poor." The question is -is it right? Why is it not considered stealing?
    Also there is the idea that all citizens would have to pay if a politicial wants to bailout another group of companies. Hopefully deterring politicians from spending our money to get reelected. If everyone was paying the same percent, it would be more fair.

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    What % of the population pays taxes doesn't mean . It's how much total revenue collected that means something.
    how much taxes of the bottom's total revenue does the govt. collect?

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    What makes you think so? With all the unemployment, bankruptcy and default, I'd expect the rich to get even richer, relatively speaking.
    In the bear market years, the unsuccessful co, will go under, and when the market recovers and the bull markets come back, more people will use the more opportunities. Bankruptcy, unemployment, and defualt shouldn't have anything to do with lack of opportunties.

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    federal tax dont mean

    when ur paying other taxes on goods/services under different les

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    The results are similar to stuff I dug up some years back. If you don't like it, find your own reports. I would guess, though, with the emphasis on only the Federal income tax in the "let's feel sorry for rich guys" articles, that you won't find much support for your presuppositions.
    No, I picked apart the data. If you don't like facts continue your dilusion you have something to say on this matter.

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    Ok, here's another table for you. It's transcribed from Figure 3 on p. 24.

    http://www.taxfoundation.org/publica...show/2282.html

    Figure 3. Federal, State and Local Effective Tax Rates, Calendar Year 2004
    Federal, State and Local Effective Tax Rates, 2004

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                    Federal   State and     Total
                    Taxes     Local Taxes   Taxes
    
    Bottom 20%       5.0%      7.9%         13.0%
    Second 20%      12.9%     10.3%         23.2%
    Third 20%       17.4%     10.9%         28.2%
    Fourth 20%      20.2%     11.2%         31.3%
    Top 20%         24.3%     10.3%         34.5%
    Source: Tax Foundation

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    What nonsense. It's already been established per the IRS that the bottom 47% pay zero federal taxes. Your little propoganda piece is for people who don't know any better. (in response to post above)
    Last edited by 2centsworth; 10-06-2009 at 11:02 PM.

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    that's one of the worst report I have ever read. Not a single thing substantiated. The charts are hilarious, Total Tax. Lets break that down.
    I agree to that aspect. They are including the taxes people don't see. However, if we remove the employer payroll tax alone, we get the following from the lowest 60%:

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    Lowest 20%      -0.65%
    Second 20%       3.55%
    Middle 20%       8.45%
    That of course varies with single filers to married with children. If we were to break it down farther, I'm sure it supports the contention that 47% of the people pay no federal taxes. Actually, I would assume more than 47% by those numbers.

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    What % of the population pays taxes doesn't mean . It's how much total revenue collected that means something.
    It means allot.

    People who who are net receivers of federal tax monies should not have the right to vote in politicians who promise them other of people's money.

    This is legalized theft and should be stopped.

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    What nonsense. It's already been established per the IRS that the bottom 47% pay zero federal taxes. Your little propoganda piece is for people who don't know any better. (in response to post above)
    So you don't believe the Tax Foundation? Are they too liberal for you?

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    "net receivers of federal tax monies should not have the right to vote"

    this is GREAT ADVICE. It would disenfranchise most govt-hating/handout-loving RED STATES!

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