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    Mr. Dignity Solid D's Avatar
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    I'm a Rasho supporter. Get healthy Rasho, the Spurs need you.

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    i support rasho and naz and mass cuz that's all we got.

    rasho won't dunk. mass can't block any shots. nazr will be left open in the playoffs and will either have to hit an open jumper or drive to the cup....at least 31 could take it to the hole...but i won't start that again...


    i'll continue to pray every offseason that a GM has a lapse in judgement and offers us an upgrade....and if not, that Scola is everything malik was and more.

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    It's funny that you use the word defender in the le of this thread, because that's what Rasho is better at than Nazr at this point, defending. Nazr is often slow to rotate on help defense, and is often out of position. (Outlaws jam in the Portland game is a good example; the perimeter guys directed him to the baseline where are bigs are supposed to be. Nazr was caught up near the foul line, and couldn't get there in time to defend). I'm confident that Nazr will improve as he learns the system more, but Rasho is still a solid interior defender and a Spur, so please put a sock in it.

    And lastly BigZak25, I have to tell you that its not your words that hypnotize me. Yowza.

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    thumbs up bro, you haven't heard timvp and me tear up hypnotize on the mike tho

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    Rasho needs a serious confidence booster. It's hard to accomplish the things you want to when you don't believe you can.

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    I think they're both important elements to the team.


    Nazr is showing that he's got hustle and heart that few people thought he had.

    Rasho is an important reminder of why so few white guys make it through to the NBA.

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    Seriously. In what defensive category is Rasho so far ahead of Nazr? Rebounds? Nope. Steals maybe? Nope.

    I think Rasho averages about a 1/2 block per game more than Nazr. Big whoop.

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    Rasho bothers much more opponents shots than Nazr and that is not in statistics.

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    Seriously. In what defensive category is Rasho so far ahead of Nazr? Rebounds? Nope. Steals maybe? Nope.

    I think Rasho averages about a 1/2 block per game more than Nazr. Big whoop.
    He leads in the catagory of playing better defense. You don't find that no a stat sheet.

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    If that were the case, the stats would show it.

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    Really? What stats who that Bowen is the defender he is?

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    Really? What stats who that Bowen is the defender he is?

    C'mon now. I can't believe you're comparing Bowen to Rasho. Bowen plays a smothering defense that is clearly noticeable. The only noticeable difference between Nazr and Rasho is that Nazr plays with a lot more heart.

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    Mr. Brewski,
    Rasho plays much better positional defense and is quicker to rotate over on switches/help. He's had 2 years in the system and Nazr isn't close to Rasho in understanding, experience, nor reaction time - yet.

    Rasho is a better passer in the high post and so far, a better shooter out on the floor. He is much smoother in the two-man game on screen/rolls and his screens are technically better than Nazr's.

    Nazr dunks and is more aggressive on the offensive glass and has a knack for offensive rebounding. Nazr is more physical. Nazr is Rasho's backup until he starts catching balls on the first attempt and his familiarity and reaction time improves. On defense, Nazr is "Captain Late, Jr." but that's meant in the help-D sense and not in the 4th quarter heroics sense.

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    Mr. Brewski,
    Rasho plays much better positional defense and is quicker to rotate over on switches/help. He's had 2 years in the system and Nazr isn't close to Rasho in understanding, experience, nor reaction time - yet.

    Rasho is a better passer in the high post and so far, a better shooter out on the floor. He is much smoother in the two-man game on screen/rolls and his screens are technically better than Nazr's.

    Nazr dunks and is more aggressive on the offensive glass and has a knack for offensive rebounding. Nazr is more physical. Nazr is Rasho's backup until he starts catching balls on the first attempt and his familiarity and reaction time improves. On defense, Nazr is "Captain Late, Jr." but that's meant in the help-D sense and not in the 4th quarter heroics sense.
    ^^^^What he said.

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    Spurs Fan Since '76 bigbendbruisebrother's Avatar
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    Mr. Brewski,
    Rasho plays much better positional defense and is quicker to rotate over on switches/help. He's had 2 years in the system and Nazr isn't close to Rasho in understanding, experience, nor reaction time - yet.

    Rasho is a better passer in the high post and so far, a better shooter out on the floor. He is much smoother in the two-man game on screen/rolls and his screens are technically better than Nazr's.

    Nazr dunks and is more aggressive on the offensive glass and has a knack for offensive rebounding. Nazr is more physical. Nazr is Rasho's backup until he starts catching balls on the first attempt and his familiarity and reaction time improves. On defense, Nazr is "Captain Late, Jr." but that's meant in the help-D sense and not in the 4th quarter heroics sense.
    End of thread.

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    Seriously. In what defensive category is Rasho so far ahead of Nazr? Rebounds? Nope. Steals maybe? Nope.

    I think Rasho averages about a 1/2 block per game more than Nazr. Big whoop.

    Like I have ben saying all along...you cannot judge a player by stats alone.

    Rasho is better on "D' the Nazr...it is not rebounds, blocks, or steals....it is postioning. Rasho is better FUNDAMENTALLY....Nazr tends to overplay on defense and too often gets burned.

    Nazr relies too often on athletecism only....that type of play can only get you so far. His athletecism is great...but he needs to learn how to reign it in and use it wisely.....in fact, Marks appears to be a bit more fundamentally sound at this point.

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    Like I have ben saying all along...you cannot judge a player by stats alone.

    Rasho is better on "D' the Nazr...it is not rebounds, blocks, or steals....it is postioning. Rasho is better FUNDAMENTALLY....Nazr tends to overplay on defense and too often gets burned.
    So what you're saying is that Rasho is better at getting in the way. Couldn't agree more.

    Nazr relies too often on athletecism only....that type of play can only get you so far. His athletecism is great...but he needs to learn how to reign it in and use it wisely.....in fact, Marks appears to be a bit more fundamentally sound at this point.
    Fundamentals? I could give a damn about fundamentals. What I want is a big man who will get in there, fight for the rebound and jam that er back in. Someone who will get nasty and do the dirty work down low. Not someone who pussyfoots around the rim like he's playing in a charity fucntion.

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    Notice Brewski ignores Solid D's post.


    but oncea gain, he was always known for agenda based posts.

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    Fundamentals? I could give a damn about fundamentals

    Thats fantastic.

    That at ude is the reason the NBA is so ed up.


    Its also the at ude that got Bob Hill fired.

    That and " Defense" like you believe.

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    When your star is "The Big Fundamental," what exactly are you supposed to give a damn about?

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    What stats who that Bowen is the defender he is?
    still waiting for Brewski's intelligent answer to this.

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    direct opponent stat line shows it for bowen... the problem is defending in the paint is harder even to demonstrate...

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    still waiting for Brewski's intelligent answer to this.
    Find me a website that shows stats for Points allowed per opponent for each individual player and I'll be glad to answer. But since that stat doesn't seem to be available, I guess you'll just have to keep on waiting.

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    Then why did you discount it so in quick if even YOU dont know it.

    Go away already.

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    So what you're saying is that Rasho is better at getting in the way. Couldn't agree more.



    Fundamentals? I could give a damn about fundamentals. What I want is a big man who will get in there, fight for the rebound and jam that er back in. Someone who will get nasty and do the dirty work down low. Not someone who pussyfoots around the rim like he's playing in a charity fucntion.
    Not caring about fundamentals is a terrible way to play ther game. So you want someone to go in with reckless abandon and probably foul out before the statistician can put his name on the scorecard?

    I want someone to assert themselves too....but there is a wrong way and a right right way of doing that....Actually it could be said that Timmy could be more assertive, but that is fundamentally not sound the way you want it.....I have a strong feeling that if Timmy were to play with that reckless abandon, like you imply Rasho should, we would be all over Timmy.

    BTW...we do have those enforcers....TMass, GRob, Marks (has shown some ability).

    I agree that Rasho needs to be more assertive....T Park will tell you that I think Rasho needs to step up...Rasho was actually playing better before he went down......But he is definitely not in the way.



    Maybe if you put down those brewskis you could see a little more clearly.

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