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Maybe this would be relevant if this was how the democrats actually intended on paying for this. But that's not what democrats are proposing. Andat the notion of the government "cutting fraud and waste".
Why do you want govt to take care of you?
Maybe this would be relevant if this was how the democrats actually intended on paying for this. But that's not what democrats are proposing. And
Last edited by coyotes_geek; 10-14-2009 at 06:11 PM.
............because nobody delivers value for your money like the United States federal government does.
Obama is being very negligent by not attempting to attack the expansive fraud and waste until a bill is passed.
Health Insurance companies have an rust exemption.......isn't that funny how the media has not let the public know this until now LOL.
Public option here we come!
just goes to show just how the media controls the mind. this has been public for a long time but no one says anything until a politician mentions it...... ing media is a waste of time.
"Health Insurance companies have an rust exemption"
.... goes back back to 1945 law.
So the govt. will pay for people to kill babies.
Sorry if this has already been posted but, I think it's important to point out that "honest" Democrats do believe nationalized health care will involve "death panels"
By the way, he's a Democrat. A pretty big one, if I'm not mistaken.
rationing will be death panels.
Yep.
But, I think the Obamacare plan is even more insidious...
Dr. Ezekial Emanuel, brother of Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel and a White House health care policy adviser.
Emanuel does not use the term “death panels” and the term does not appear in the Obamacare bill. That would be political suicide. Instead he argues in favor of “The Complete Lives System,” a system that “produces a priority curve on which individuals aged between roughly 15 and 40 years get the most chance, whereas the youngest and oldest people get chances that are attenuated.”
In 1996, Emanuel said health care should be rationed for those who are not “participating citizens,” that is to say the old, the infirm, and those suffering from irreversible medical conditions.
As a good liberal, Emanuel would like to avoid the perception that he proposes killing old people simply because they are old — that would be “ageist” — and instead argues that they have used up their “life-years” and basically need to get out of the way and stop using up precious medical resources.
Robert Reich reduces the academic gobbledygook of Emanuel’s “Complete Lives System” down to language the average person can understand. In the video, he spells it out — the government will intervene in medical decisions made by you and your family. Grand daddy is a burden on society and has nothing left to contribute because he no longer works and pays half or more of his income to the government in the form of confiscatory taxes.
"nationalized health care"
You Lie
Spending $200K on chemo with no change in overall survival, and to gain on avg 3 months more living (in chemo and chemo fog) is pretty stupid, but that's where the cancer industrial complex is.
Repugs are maliciously making nasty, hateful politics with extremely difficult questions that are above mere politics.
I don't expect anything positive or truthful from the Repugs, just divisive, lying, polarlizing politics, all the time, on every issue.
Okay, you disagree but, you didn't exactly say who is lying or what is the lie.
Some would argue three more months of life is three more months of hope.
midgets are democrats too
Health Insurance companies have an an rust exemption. So they engage in Fascism and the Teabaggers defend these guys???????
what dumb ing asses LOL
Death Panels already exist. Interestingly enough, Texas, of all states, knows everything there's to know about them:
In 1999, the state of Texas passed the Texas Futile Care Law. Under the law, in some situations, Texas hospitals and physicians have the right to withdraw life support measures, such as mechanical respiration, from terminally ill patients when such treatment is considered to be both futile and inappropriate.
In 2005, a six-month-old infant, Sun Hudson, with a uniformly fatal disease thanatophoric dysplasia, was the first patient in which "a United States court has allowed life-sustaining treatment to be withdrawn from a pediatric patient over the objections of the child's parent."
"three more months of life is three more months of hope"
yeah, Think Positively. Works every time (for the 500K cancer deaths/year).
Hope for what? There isn't a cure for end-stage cancer, and when you factor in Quality of Life (there ain't none), GAMEOVER.
Every hospital and every nursing home medical staff LOVES those $25K/day ICU bills, and $5K/month nursing home bills. String 'em along with "hope" and suck every penny out of them, their family, their insurance company. Brilliant, civilized "free market" capitalism doing its beautiful job.
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I'm in the business; had no idea such a thing existed; in SA, where I do business; this isn't an issue; plenty of carriers/plenty of compe ion.
Where I live, however - in PA, the market is dominated by BC/BS - but the premiums aren't inordinately high....gonna look into the "exemption" - because it certainly isn't anything Ma-Bell-esque in the industry; there are major, and minor players - lots of compe ion in most places. I know that the big part of that law is that it gives most power of insurance regulation to the states; and takes it from the Fed. States might have a problem with a sweeping change in that; or maybe they'll welcome it.
Really kind of ridiculous anyway, the Health Insurance company profits are public knowledge, and they are, literally, a drop in the bucket of healthcare expenses. Garner 100% of them, and you haven't done ANYTHING to "fix" the system. Until some politician starts talking price controls on Docs, Hospitals and Pharma, and restricting procedures; we ain't gonna save any real money. Instead, apparently, the Senate is considering paying doctors MORE. That'll control costs....
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