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Can anybody see Williams getting any playing time with this team?
Sucks to lose Williams at expense of keeping Bogans, but neither of them are really going to contribute IMO. Bogans will have some opportunities just because Pop is going to feel more comfortable with an unathletic slow bald old guy (JV2) and give him the PT.
Can anybody see Williams getting any playing time with this team?
On the nights they play the Timberwolves or someone else of that ilk yes, but other than that, no.
If Bogans or Williams were to see significant action in real games I think the Spurs would be in trouble.
Williams hasn't shown me he's an NBA player. NBDL for sure. NBA...I don't think so. If Bogans can play stronger D for limited stretches of games and frustrate the opponent a little, then he's my pick for the last guy on the end of the bench.
This is why Hairston will make the team, if he makes the team.
Williams and Jerrels will not make the team.
I think they wish they had not signed Bogans, now. But, they did so, I think they will go with the 15 players to start the season and place Malik in Austin. Malik will be the Bogans insurance in case he does not come around. If Bogans plays well I look for Malik to be cut by january from the 15 man roster and the possiblity of a midseason 2 for 1 to shore up any pparticular area of problem that surfaces.
After all, when was the last time that the Spurs started and finished the season with the same 15 man roster?
I'm getting tired of this end of the bench crap ppl keep saying. You need to look a little deeper. Did you not read the article? The Spurs were looking to fill the void Bruce left as our perimeter defensive stopper. Yes it does matter. Right now Hairston looks like that guy way more then Bogans does. Bogans is looking like an offensive liability out on the floor right now. Do you guys remember when Bowen went through those spells; it was like we were playing 4 on 5 on offense. Which caused more double teams and pressure from the opposing team. This whole situation is about match-ups. If Hairston can fill a need in that area then it does matter.
With 7 bigs on the roster it doesn't have to be a wing like Hairston. Mahinmi and Haislip come to mind.
Plus, players like Finley and Bonner have some desirable contracts for trading. This is one of those seasons where a mid-season move could shore up a considerable hole.
The coaching staff should own up to the Bogans signing even if it doesn't pan out like they planned. So Malik now becomes the Bogans insurance policy not the other way around. He gets stashed in Austin while Bogans gets his act together!
Now Bogans better show something tonight. If I see another 0-3 outing, I'm going to pull out an all out spurstalk campaign to get that bum ousted! ;-)
...because we all know that preseason performances on a brand new team mean everything.
Bogans is a player in his prime with more than 10,000 minutes played in the NBA. I'm sure Spurs' staff doesn't put him in the "scrub" category after 4 preseason games.
The true question is Hairston. Keeping Hairston will cost $1.46Mto Spurs. Is he worth that money? And if yes, should he go to Austin or be Spurs 12th man?
IMO Hairston should be kept cause even he is not used this year. It would be a great learning process for him with vets arouund. Then next year he's a solid cheap option to keep around for those we lose due to coming off the books. Although its the preseason he has shown he can be a legit NBA player.
I think Haislip is more expendable than Williams is at this point. Haislip hasn't shown any promise. I know his contract was partially guaranteed so what would be the big deal in cutting him when Bonner is already doing what Haislip is supposed to do. If you cut Haislip, then you free up a roster spot allowing Williams to be the 3rd pg. I know this is wishful thinking as Williams will probably be cut. Just a shame they can't keep both. Bogans may be able to contribute some this year, but I just don't see him grasping the Spurs system even if he is a veteran. Williams & Hairston know the Spurs philosophy on defense playing on the Toros. Just makes sense to keep both of them I think.
To me, it's so long, Williams. So what if Bogans is having a crappy pre-season? We have more to look at in order to judge his worth, and what we're looking at isn't D-League playing time (which, of course, is why we signed him). I also think that if Pop wants a 14 man roster, we can still simply assign Hairston to the Toros. If there is going to be a true cut at the 15-spot, I think it should be Haislip. I had high hopes for the guy earlier on, but we have 7 bigs, and he hasn't really proven anything. Still, I favor a 15 man roster and would like Haislip to tag along.
Last edited by manu_maniac; 10-16-2009 at 04:29 PM.
I've seen Bogans have some pretty damn good games for the Magic. While he's not a starter every game guy he's one of those typical decent to solid role players you always want on a team.
I'm seriously about to lose it.................
Yeah...I've watched him some there also and with the Rockets. It seemed like he was always working hard on the floor and doing those things that didn't show up in the box score. With as much experience as he has, I'm willing to give him more than a few preseason games before I pass judgment one way or the other.
It's really close whether or not hairston is worth the 1.5 mil for the season. I think Williams is definitely out and Hairston may be a dollar casualty as well. It all comes down to whether ownership looks at it as "we're already all in what's another 1.5 mil" or "we're over big and hairston isn't worth that extra 1.5 mil".
Interesting points being made all around. I would like to see Hairston make the team. It seems that the Spurs have to keep either hairston or williams and play them, just to make the Toros eperiment seem worthwhile.
Fits the Spurs' model perfectly.
tough loss either way
The $ issue is pretty much the only issue..as Bruno pointed out, is Hairston worth that money?..I'm biased, so I'll say yes he is, but obviously we'll have to see what the FO believes..he still has a few more games to show something in a negative or positive way..
If we can go back in time, I highly doubt Bogans is signed after seeing Hairston play in preseason..he's been consistent in every level he's been in since last year, whether it was the NBA regular season, the D-league, the Summer League, and now the preseason..he also already knows the system, which is another thing he has over Bogans outside of pretty much everything else except experience..
Williams shouldn't be considered unless he has some huge games in the next 2..not just significant games, because Hairston has had significant games in pretty much any game where he's received minutes so far..I mean big games, where he actually shows us that his "all-around game" isn't just a myth created by the Spurs FO..
Hairston in preseason: 18 MPG..7 PPG, 52.6% FG, 3 RPG, 3 APG, 0.8 SPG, 0.8 BPG, 1.25 TOPG..
Williams in preseason: 15 MPG..4.3 PPG, 40% FG, 2 RPG, 1.5 APG, 0 steals and blocks, 2 TOPG..
If Williams is more versatile than Hairston, then nobody has seen it so far, and the stats don't show it at all.. , Malik is even doubling the PGs assists average..so it would really be mind-blowing if Williams was picked..
Bogans vs. Hairston simply comes down to $$$..that's all there is to it..Bogans isn't going to be cut following the pre-season..Hairston is worth the $ IMO, but we'll have to see what they think..
I'd be up for the Spurs finding a team with a trade exception or cap room, and offloading Bonner or Finley, sending their salary (or $3M, which ever is less) along, and saving the tax on it. Alternately, if they feel either Ian or Haislip isn't making the nut, you do the same thing. That takes the salary and roster spot pressure out of the decision to keep young players and develop them.
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