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With or without finals MVP, i say he moves into top 5 with his 5th!
In no particular order (except Jordan):
Jordan
Magic
Russell
Wilt
Duncan
Right?
Somebody say 'Book it'.What do you mean if? He will get his 5th ring this year.
With or without finals MVP, i say he moves into top 5 with his 5th!
In no particular order (except Jordan):
Jordan
Magic
Russell
Wilt
Duncan
Right?
I don't think he moves up, I think he just locks his spot at #7 over Hakeem and Shaq, although he'd have an argument over Russell, Magic, and Bird..I don't think you can put him ahead of guys like Wilt or Kareem, that just doesn't present a strong argument..
Kobe isn't currently in the discussion, he benefits heavily from the overhype of the media..
# 3 behind Jordan and Jabber.
Dario,
Cue the Ehhhh buzzer sound, for you have lost this round due to speaking in the crazy.
number 1
jordan
though Kobe is the guy you want taking the last shot in a 1 possession game, he just doesn't change the game as much as a great defensive big like Ducan, Shaq, etc...definitely not in the top 5 all time; even though he's a great defender at his position, his help defense doesn't affect games as much as big men.
I'd already put Duncan ahead of Bird, but I generally agree with your take.
Book it, and for me I think duncan is ahead of Kareem
Kobe also destroyed the Pistons team in 04. He made Tayshaun Prince his personal during that series too.
come on now, i am a huge duncan fan. but he is not ahead of bird. better than magic maybe, but Bird is better, way better scorer, just as good a rebounder, way better passer, better leader, more clutch, played in a tough era.
Why is Russell such a lock for Top 5?I didnt watch him play, but I have heard and seen enough about him to realize that offensively he was average. He was the defensive anchor of the Celtics Dynasty but offensively he had tons of great players around him helping him get all those les. He is the ultimate system player and ultimate winner but talentwise, especially offensively I dont see him as being on par with the rest of the guys being mentioned. I'll take Timmy over him right now even without the 5th ring.
I could see Timmy cracking the Top 5 if he wins it after this season...joining MJ, Magic, Wilt, and Abdul-Jabbar.
how can you argue against 11 rings though? 8 in a row? 2 as a player coach? you can't argue with that.
Thats a product of the era, as is Wilt averaging 50 ppg and 30 rpg. There were less teams and less parity in the league, you wont see any team win 8 in a row now or average 50 ppg. Not even MJ, the greatest player ever, was able to accomplish those feats. Also those Celtics were stacked, if Im not mistaken Russell was playing alongside a couple of other Hall of Famers. I think Russell is the greates winner ever and probably the greatest system player, but as far as talent goes...he isnt on par with these guys. He was never really dominant on offense. All these guys being mentioned were great two way players.
Leave it up to dimwitted ass Spur fans to think Duncan would ever been on Bird or Magic's level. Had he played in the 80's, his crybaby ass might've not even sniffed one ring. When I think about how hard he would've gotten owned by Kareem, McHale and Parish, or young Dream, I laugh until I vomit the steak and shrimp I had last night.
i got duncan ahead of shaq and hakeem on my rankings, with or without the 5th ring he can make a case against bird too...
the difference between duncan and bird/magic? those 2 guys played on fkn stacked teams with players who are in the top50 players ever, and in the 80s there was no compe ion in the western conference for the lakers to advance through the playoffs, while bird had to go some good compe ion in the eastern playoffs....
shaq and hakeem have missed 1-2 playoffs in their careers or during their moderate/prime years...
peak performance is lame statistic when comparing to duncan, the other 9 guys on the top10 list have better stats than duncan etc, but duncan with a avg game like 20/10 can still win games, i take the 20/10 and 70% career team record winnings over statpadders anyday of the week.
ps. i still think 06/07 + 07/08 dpoy belong to duncan who was clearly robbed.
06/07 wtf was camby in round 1 against the spurs? dpoy didnt shut down anyone.
07/08 life achievement award to KG where duncan has been doing that consistently for the last 10yrs and didnt get a sniff at it, yeh they change how the criteria was looked upon for voting....
at least 3-4 dpoy he shouldve earned
06/07 finals mvp shouldve belong to duncan, parker won it cause spurs exploited the cavs mismatch at the pg position, thankyou gibson, while duncan still avg 20/10 in that series
03/04 regular season mvp lol, i think duncan even playin with 69 games shouldve won it, nearly identicle stats to KG, and team record was about 1-2 losses difference with the wolves (spurs 57-25). So if duncan played the missing 13 games and winning 70% of them games which puts the spurs as best record in the league and winning the mvp correct?
Last edited by TDMVPDPOY; 10-23-2009 at 12:20 AM.
hey dude magic and bird played on stacked teams, and there was no other team in their conferences that could pose a threat to their teams come playoffs, explains why they occupied the finals most of the 80s.
Scorer, yep.
Rebounder? Duncan's Career Rbd Rate 18.4%, his worst season he posted a 16.3% rate. Bird's Career Rbd Rate 14.5%, Bird's best season 16.0%
Passer, yep.
Leader? Let's just say that TD isn't shabby in that department. Ir's hard to rate leadership between teams and across era's. Both were the undisputed leaders of their teams, and both lead with tremendous success. I would say that there was more talent on those Boston squads than anything but this 09/10 version of the Spurs.
Clutch? Just how many times has Duncan let us down?
Finally, I will note that Duncan is worth about 5 Larry Birds as a defender...
Bird's one of my all-time favorite players but I'd still put Duncan ahead of him. Tim's eclipsed just about all his important accolades individually, already has more les, and the discrepancy in dominance between Tim and Larry on the defensive end is much greater than the one possessed by Bird on the offensive end.
Bird was not better, or even on par with Duncan as a rebounder. And while I'll grant you he was a more gifted passer with a knack for the spectacular, Tim's been one of the best, most effective pivot passers the league has ever seen; someone who would've racked up a of a lot more assists had they been recording the assist that leads to the assisted basket.
Larry has his own mythology that, while is for the most part deserved, tends to skew how he's viewed upon reflection.
Yes, he was one of the baddest, most clutch players this league has ever seen and he had the mouth to back it up; he was a character who was as compelling a personality as he was a great player; something that only helped to enhance his legend.
Duncan is truly one of the best this league's ever seen, but he's never been the compelling figure or personality outside the Spurs' fan base. He's not out there running his mouth or blowing up in press conferences. He's not going to call out players, his or otherwise, in print or on television. In short, those not in the know can't truly understand or even comprehend the leader or compe or he truly is. To say definitively that Bird was a better leader than Duncan, someone I consider the Russell of this generation, would be to say there's only one way to lead and that doing it internally can't be as good or equally effective.
They're two of the greatest players to have ever laced them up and they both have an argument to be members of the all-time starting-five. But given their individual and team accolades, along with the fact that Tim was a true pivot, and I'm forced to come to one conclusion.
Give me Duncan.
Hey genius did you ever stop to think that they were in the most of the Finals is because they were the 2 best players of the decade. And laugh ing out loud at making a case for Duncan. He's had the luxury of playing in one of the weakest eras in basketball history. Playing a Net's team who's best players besides Jason Kidd was Kenyon ing Martin and Richard ing Jefferson. GTFO. And let's not even talk about how god awful the Cavaliers were in 07. But keep making up.
Spur fans have to be the most delusional fan base in all of sports.
at using Ducan is a better rebounder. No , he plays pf/c, is 2-3 inches taller, and didn't have McHale and Parish taking up missed shots. You ing people are clueless. What's the argument for Duncan over Magic? He has a better post game or some irrelevant like that?
And the dumbass argument that Duncan is more clutch than Bird doesn't even deserve a valid response. But it's just too stupid to pass up.
Uh gee, how about when he missed 2 point blank layups over some powder puff who was given the god forsaken name Desanga Diop. God rest his hall of fame bound soul. Yeah real ing clutch.Clutch? Just how many times has Duncan let us down?
hey dude you calling out the nets team, yeh the same nets team ur fakers defeated the previous year, b4 calling out the spurs finals opponents check ur lakers team who they played against in this era
Hey dude. I totally forgot about who we were talking about here. But the 02 Kings were far and away the best playoff team either the Spurs or Lakers played this year.
I could only imagine how bad the 86 Celtics would ram any Duncan led spur team you want to name.
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