I've never understood why conservatives devote such time to such matters. If an individual wants to go by a certain name, what's the issue? I have no problem with an employer requiring that an employee speak a certain language when interacting with customers.
Insisting on 'Americanizing' one's self is nothing new in this country. The amusing thing is that the origins of that could reasonably be placed on the "socialist" side of the political spectrum. Ever wonder why public school children have to recite the Pledge while paying homage to the national flag at the start of every school day? Or where the obsession with English as the only language got its start? That was so this nation could unite as one great militarist machine and dispatch with the old traditions and loyalties those dirty wops and kraut children might have brought with them to the New World.
I know my own Kraut forbears had their loyalties questioned repeatedly in this country, particularly during the First World War and again during the Second, which was a full century after their family had first made it here. I do wonder how much opinions would change of certain posters if the employees were Saxons and the language German.
While, yes, in theory, an employer should be free to make such stupid demands, and employees should be free to tell their employer how stupid they are and leave, as a political cause this is rather stupid, and a way that conservatives will manage to squander the grand political opportunity before them with the current majority party in increasing disfavor with the populace.
New Mexico is sort of a special case, micca. Something like a third of the people who live there claim descendence from the original Hispanic settlers, and 83% of Hispanics there are native born according to the wiki.
Post WWII, New Mexico has been inundated with Anglos, not Mexicans.
Anglicizng your name is freakin gotty. Up yours if you can't accept an authentic name. I'm American, but i have a culture within a culture. And I'm not Latino or Hispanic, that's for the like mexican's who live in SoCal and celebrate Cinco de Mayo by ordering the Shiner Bock marinated fajitas at Serranos and listen to Carlos Santana. Nothing but puro Conjunto and Chuletas cabron!
Puro Mexicano buey!
I agree that conservatives shouldn't really care about this, but it's the liberals who are making hay of this. DarrinS---and by extension, me---would never have heard of this if CNN hadn't made a story of it. (Or was this a big story reported elsewhere? Regardless, the CNN soapbox was in full effect.)
Anyway, I get a little annoyed when Hispanics over-pronounce their names . . . particularly those Hispanics who can barely speak any Spanish and whose families have been here forever. It seems so phony.
Fair or not, Anglo culture is the dominant culture in this country. Without speaking English and understanding Anglo culture, one's opportunities are extremely limited. In most contexts, IMO, people risk marginalizing themselves when they cling too tightly onto their Hispanic cultural iden y. It's kind of like when black people name their children Shabaz'Quan.
But whatever. It's their life. Just like it's this guy's life if he ends up alienating his workers by making them Anglicize their names.
how does that explain me and my family, my ancestors were at the alamo, we weren't the only ones either, someone had to kill davy crockett. mexico may have had a tough time w/east and north texas but not south which was always a vibrant part of the state of Coahuila y Tejas (infact the texas administrative district was named Bexar, as in Bexar county, as in san an ingtonio, as in shut the up if you don't know the history of this state) north was all indian battle grounds, and east was a french swamp til white slave owners kept moving westward and didn't want to pay their mexican taxes, so they started a war. i'm not going to lie, there are alot of decendents of mexican nationals here in texas, but don't call them chicano. originally chicano and pocho were derogatory terms used by the ones kept south of were guadelupe hidalgo left them to us northerners cause we mixed with the cowboy culture (tex-mex food, tejano, speaking ing english or a butchered form of it anyways) and those terms weren't used for good til the 60's when activist decided to retake the word. so either you're in north texas or you don't know how to read a book.
well that depends on your perspective, if you go the pueblos they'll tell you they been inudated by hispanics.So do we go the upper mid west and use scandanavian accents and inflections, do we go to pennsalvaynia and use german and dutch accents and inflections with their names, do we go to south boston and use gaelic accents and inflections, do we go to lousiana and use proper french accents and inflections.....no we don't.
even in New Mexico chicano don't use proper spainish accents or inflections most of the time.And I'll tell you navajos, zunis ,tewas,apache, almost always have a christian first name,a practice brought to them by ........the Chicanos of New Mexico.
Yeah so what, the fact remains that Mexico was the New World it was the edge of the empire. texas new mexico arizona california colorado were off the map. they couldn't even get enough priests to minister to the people of northeren new mexico. Mexico even told the people living in Sonora and Chiuahuahua that they lived there at there own risk that the federal goverment was not going to spend the money or man power on protecting them from the yaqui and the apache.Much less New Mexico and Texas and Arizona. the Pueblos a group of peacefull farmers who were constantly being robbed by the Navajo and apache were able to form an uprising and kick the Hispanics out of New Mexico, Nobody in Mexico got real excited about it, I don't think anybody bothered going back into the New Mexico for like 7 years.Until the price of apache slave got good again I guess.New Mexico and Texas were nothing but a buffer zone of expendables between Mexico and the french of Louisiana.Damn few Mexicans were willing to go north...what for.And by the way the commanche raided pretty ing far south into texas and controled it.
which is what led to the missions being created, protect, preach and enslave the peaceful natives down here in the south. also w/the lack of priest up here, most jewish-catholic converts got left alone, monterrey, etc, which is how a former jewish fam like mine were able to get a land grant around what is now brauning lake...but anyways, back to the subject at hand, could care less if ricardo goes by rick for a paycheck, i would do the same.
There ain't no Jews in Northeren New Mexico I'll tell you that ,but I read about how alot of jews joined the conquistadores to escape spain very interesting, I gotta say I've never run across any in N.M. or Arizona, although to be honest in N.M. catholicisim is or was VERY hard core, much more intense than in the rest of the southwest.where is echewood
This was the only part of your response that was responsive. It doesn't contradict anything I said. Instead it's historically parallel, and as such, reinforces what I said in my post, if obliquely. So thanks for the sideways acknowledgement.
North of Panama there ain't much Castellano. Your point?
The crypto-judaism debate is interesting, and came to me anecdotally while I was in college.
Survivals from the Conquista seem unlikely (though not impossible.) I do wonder how many Jews who settled in Mexico in the 19th century hispanized and converted, and subsequently came to the US. My own Jewish ancestors did not.
I thought this was an informative article on the Crypto-Jews in NM hypothesis: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...g=content;col1
Intriguing but far from dispositive:
Recent genetic research, however, has shown that many Latinos of the American Southwest may be descended from Anusim (Sephardic Jews who converted to Roman Catholicism). Michael Hammer, a research professor at the University of Arizona and an expert on Jewish genetics, said that fewer than 1% of non-Semites, but more than four times the entire Jewish population of the world, possessed the male-specific "Cohanim marker" (which in itself is not necessarily endemic to all Jews, but is prevalent among Jews claiming descent from hereditary priests), and 30 of 78 Latinos tested in New Mexico (38.5%) were found to be carriers. DNA testing of Hispanic populations also revealed between 10% and 15% of men living in New Mexico, south Texas and northern Mexico have a Y chromosome that traces back to the Middle East.[13]http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/sefard5.htmIn addition to these communities, other now Catholic-professing communities descendants of Crypto-Jews are also said to exist in Cuba, the State of Nuevo León in northern Mexico, and amidst the populations of various other Spanish-speaking countries of South America (Argentina, Venezuela, Chile and Ecuador). From these communities comes the proverb, "Catholic by faith, Jewish by blood".
All the above localities were former territories of either the Spanish or Portuguese Empires, where the Inquisition eventually followed and continued persecuting the Jews who had settled there, and where it endured for longer than it had in Spain herself.
http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2000/12/ferry2.htm
http://www.houstonpress.com/2005-04-...-s-your-daddy/
If your paying customer is going to remember a guy named "Johnny" and can't remember "Juan" it seems like simple good business. If you had Spanish speaking tourists and had trouble with the names you could go the other way, and would never expect people to refuse. Keeping track of names in another language is difficult, and those of us in Texas and New Mexico might tend to take that for granted since there's so much of a Spanish-speaking culture around us all the time. Regardless, it's very much in the tradition of the melting pot to change your name, and I'm not sure how it's suddenly racist or selling out to simply go by a name that's easier for your customers to understand.
I don't always agree with Rick's opinions, but I think he's right on with this. None of these people are pretending to be someone they aren't, and he's certainly not the first television personality to use a different name on the air.
Playing devil's advocate, I wonder what he would have said if CNN had been the first ones to tell him he had to go by "Rick" when they offered him the job.
Yeah well that's not what I'm talking about maybe you should visit instead of reading about it on "wiki"This was the only part of your response that was responsive. It doesn't contradict anything I said. Instead it's historically parallel, and as such, reinforces what I said in my post, if obliquely. So thanks for the sideways acknowledgement.
North of Panama there ain't much Castellano. Your point?
I've been to New Mexico and to Mexico, many times.
What was your point again? Your post was unclear.
also from wiki so think of it what you will:
Monterrey’s founders were crypto-jewish conversos who represented the first European settlers in the vast, hostile, Amerindian territories, initially called Nuevo Leon by the new settlers. The most famous of these crypto-Jews who inhabited Monterrey is Luis de Carvajal y de el mozo; who along with his family was burned at the stake for practicing Judaism. He was the nephew of the Spanish founder of Monterrey. His memoirs suggest that, at the time, the majority of Spanish settlers in Monterrey were of Jewish descent.
The early twentieth century saw the arrival of Ashkenazi Jews from Europe. There is a small organized Jewish community numbering less that a thousand with a community center that is the center of Jewish life which houses the only synagogue, day school, and sports facilities. Although the synagogue is Modern Orthodox, most of the families adhere to a lifestyle most similar to that of the Conservative movement. The community has remained relatively stable in its numbers with a low degree of assimilation.
[edit]Conversos
There are also some Mexicans who consider themselves descendants of Conversos, Jews who converted to Catholicism to escape the Inquisition, but retained some Jewish heritage (like lighting candles on Friday nights). For example, the famous painter and Converso descendant Diego Rivera wrote in 1935, "Jewishness is the dominant element in my life. From this has come my sympathy with the downtrodden masses which motivates all my work."
although i think its sad that we're so off topic now and i have to explain my own ethnicity to a stranger, but whatever. echewood is just a joke way of saying edgewood, its a extremely poor district just west of downtown sa, its main claim to fame is the whole "robin hood" law for texas school districts.
it would be funny is sanchez was told or "convinced" to whiten up his name by cnn...are there any video/audio clips of him pre-cnn when he was doing news in florida, running over people?
It would seem not.
damn, homeboy was just a coconut for coconutty sake...
well he looks like a frat boy instead of a MEChAista anyways...
whatever pushes that benz i guess...
Who knew he had a dark side?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Sanchez
On December 10, 1990, Sanchez, drunk, struck a pedestrian, Jeffrey Smuzinick, with his car on a residential street near Dolphin Stadium after Smuzinick darted into the road. Smuzinick was paralyzed and eventually died in an assisted living facility in 1995. Sanchez, who had just left an NFL football game with his father (and left the scene of the accident), was not charged with causing the accident, but was charged with and pleaded no contest to DUI.Although he initially thrived at WSVN, Sanchez originally left the station when it was discovered that 1985 wiretaps recorded him trading favors with Alberto San Pedro, a self-proclaimed political fixer described by police as "a major corrupter in Hialeah" and who following a federal grand jury indictment for bribery of a federal public official and conspiracy to commit bribery, pled guilty to the conspiracy charge.
yeah where bouts santa fe taos
Santa Fe, Carlsbad, White Sands, Valley of Fires, Albuquerque, Ruidoso, Bandelier, Tesuque, Acoma...all over the place really.
I've never been to Taos. Hear it's nice though.
I was born and raised in northeren New Mexico
coconut that's funny because most of the Hidalgos I grew up with in New Mexico have fairer skin than I do.
New Mexico is a tough, tough place in the world, but damn beautiful.
yeah, it is tough. and it's beautifull.
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