Buck Harvey: Got Nazr? The trade shows life

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Whottt do you think the Isiah will try to unload Malik this summer? Do you think if he does move Malik he'll be able to get much for him than a marginally better player with a significantly worse contract?

If Nazr keeps playing like he has been of late do you think the Spurs could unload him this summer or before trade deadline next year for a very nice piece if they wanted?


P.S. This is a relity test.

[Brodels]

Silly.

That's like saying that if the Spurs would have kept Charles Smith they would have won one more game this season because he would have hit a jumper at the buzzer.

Or the Spurs would have won 70 games this season if Speedy Claxton was still around.

Or that the Spurs would have lost the last five games without Nazr.

Frankly, nobody has any idea what the Spurs record would have been if the trade had not happened. You're foolish if you think you can predict the outcome of every game based on the Nazr/Malik trade.

Whottt tends to create bubbles for his arguments. In this case, the Spurs would have won a particular game if Malik had played and lost another because he didn't...but that doesn't factor in what the rest of the team was doing. It's just as easy to say that the Spurs would have lost every game this month if Malik was still here. Malik was just a small part of what's going on, and so is Nazr. They weren't/aren't even the first big off the bench. They are important, but there are so many other things that factor in.

To think that Malik may have cost the team the number one seed is evidence of your inability to even try to look at the trade with any kind of objectivity. You can continue to deny it, but it's been clear all along that your man love for Rose is huge. Deny it as you will, but nobody is going to believe you.

You've been a broken record for two months now.

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rose sucked his first few years as a spur

[whottt]

Silly.

That's like saying that if the Spurs would have kept Charles Smith they would have won one more game this season because he would have hit a jumper at the buzzer.

Or the Spurs would have won 70 games this season if Speedy Claxton was still around.

Not it's not like saying those things. Saying those thigns is like saying those things.

Or that the Spurs would have lost the last five games without Nazr.

Show me a time we lost 5 in a row with Duncan injured...Show me the last time we lost 3 in a row with Duncan injured..and Malik on the team.

Frankly, nobody has any idea what the Spurs record would have been if the trade had not happened. You're foolish if you think you can predict the outcome of every game based on the Nazr/Malik trade.

So basically in your brilliance you have concluded:

A:That making a transition from one team to another is easily done. From winner to loser is easily done. From outside in to inside out is easily done...etc....and that there is no adjustment factor whatsoever...

That's just hilarious because I can find quotes by every Nazr jocker on the board saying otherwise...when Nazr was killing us with SUCK.

and

B.A player being unavailable due to injury has no impact on the court, ever.

Whottt tends to create bubbles for his arguments. In this case, the Spurs would have won a particular game if Malik had played and lost another because he didn't...but that doesn't factor in what the rest of the team was doing.

The rest of the team was having chemistry issues due to the trade...and I can find quotes by Pop saying it.

It's just as easy to say that the Spurs would have lost every game this month if Malik was still here. Malik was just a small part of what's going on, and so is Nazr. They weren't/aren't even the first big off the bench. They are important, but there are so many other things that factor in.

Malik was the primary Duncan replacement...show me when we lost 3 or 5 in a row with him doing that role.

To think that Malik may have cost the team the number one seed is evidence of your inability to even try to look at the trade with any kind of objectivity. You can continue to deny it, but it's been clear all along that your man love for Rose is huge. Deny it as you will, but nobody is going to believe you.

To think that taking a player that had been here in an important role for 7 years and replacing him with an injured guy that didn't know the team, while we are battling numerous injuries, didn't cost this team 1 or 2 games?

That just shows a total and absolute lack of common sense...as well as a total lack of appreciation for what Malik did do on this team...

You've been a broken record for two months now.

And rightly so...because Nazr absolutely sucked ing ass up till about a week and a half ago...and even now he still hasn't proven he can be that effective off the bench...

[boutons]

"Malik is being used at lot at Small Forward"

Just ing fanstastic for a guy who can't create his own shot, can't pass for , has poor floor vision/decision-making/play-making, is too slow to keep up with 75% of the SFs, and can't dribble 3 times without a TO. (and I like Mali). He's primarily a hustling rebounder, low-block defender, can hit the occasional catch-n-shoot jumper, and not bad at FT line. PERIOD

Whott, you yawp on like Jim Baker in FL election, "over and over and over". That election is over and way past, and the Malik trade is over and way past, for psychologically healthy people.

I and whine ONCE PER TY SPURS GAME. Not my fault if the Spurs are pretty good as delivering ty games. The Spurs' TEAM inconsistency is a much larger factor in the Spurs end-of-season/championship chances than Malik's (or Nazr's) marginal contributions, negative and positive.

[T Park]

I think Whottt, your all alone in your hate of the trade.


That tells me its time to in move on.


BTW, you said hes YET to suck comin off the bench??


Didn't he come off the bench against the Jazz??

[whottt]

"Malik is being used at lot at Small Forward"

Just ing fanstastic for a guy who can't create his own shot, can't pass for , has poor floor vision/decision-making/play-making, is too slow to keep up with 75% of the SFs, and can't dribble 3 times without a TO. (and I like Mali). He's primarily a hustling rebounder, low-block defender, can hit the occasional catch-n-shoot jumper, and not bad at FT line. PERIOD

Whatever...they want to try him at SF because he has speed and a ranged J...

Whott, you yawp on like Jim Baker in FL election, "over and over and over". That election is over and way past, and the Malik trade is over and way past, for psychologically healthy people.

Um...look at the ing impetus for this thread... bag.

I and whine ONCE PER TY SPURS GAME.

You and whine period.

Not my fault if the Spurs are pretty good as delivering ty games. The Spurs' TEAM inconsistency is a much larger factor in the Spurs end-of-season/championship chances than Malik's (or Nazr's) marginal contributions, negative and positive.

No you just turn a 3 point win into a reason we won't win the le...

GTFOuttahere for saying I am more negative than you...POT.

I because this trade potentially cost us the #1 seed and I haven't even been doing that since Nazr has pulled his head out of his ass.

[whottt]

I think Whottt, your all alone in your hate of the trade.

Yeah? I was also all alone it not getting all over Hedo's jock because he shot good for a month.

That tells me its time to in move on.

Then move the on and stay outta threads spawned by articles that discuss the trade.

BTW, you said hes YET to suck comin off the bench??




Didn't he come off the bench against the Jazz??

Whatever...even if that is true we were still missing a starter and thus minutes were different and more readily available.

[T Park]

Whatever...even if that is true we were still missing a starter and thus minutes were different and more readily available.

lol

oh yeah he did do well there, so, uh, whatever, WE STILL MISS ROSE!!


lmao dumb .

[pjjrfan]

He's playing well and that's good for the Spurs. I'm not going to say I agreed with the Malik trade, I didn't, knowing about the economics involved, it's still risky to tamper with the chemistry of a team that was leading the league or close to it for a guy who wasn't going to contribute right away.

Now, I just couldn't see any redeeming value in Nazr's game until recently, but the thing that has turned me on this guy is his toughness, he fights, he's scrappy and he doesn't allow himself to be pushed around, something I thought this team lost with Malik. After the Mavs game you could see how the players responded to Nazr's physical play, my biggest gripe about the Spurs has been that when push comes to shove, only Malik and Horry shove back. So losing Malik looke like a bad thing, but now I can see that Nazr is cut from that same mold, against Portland, after Patterson threw Manu, Nazr came down and flipped Prsybilla like a rag doll and left Patterson, the tough guy whining to the refs. I like that kind of play because other teams won't hesitate to do that to the Spurs. I think we got a guy who won't allow that to go on for any length of time.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Signalling for the ball, which almost NEVER works, for anybody, esp when you're 3rd option, or lower.

I call bull . They have Tim Thomas, Mike Sweetney, Jerome Williams, and Trevor Ariza who have all been running at SF.

Besides, if Nazr being new to the Spurs is not a legitimate excuse, neither is Rose playing 3-5 minutes at the SF each game. After all, the RCG (Rose Colored Glasses) folks have it in their folk lore that Malik can play all five positions on the court he's so good.

I am not ready to put the guy in the Hall of Fame yet because of 4 games as a starter.

Who said anything about the Hall of Fame dumbass? We're talking about starting him, or at the least giving him more minutes off the bench.

Nazr will never make the Hall, he's not near as good as Malik (granted Malik is the lock of locks at this point in his career, no one ever throws passes into the fifth row or pulls their jersey over their head quite like Rose).

[boutons]

Nazr shouldn't start, it would be too disruptive this late. Rasho should continue to start.

There have been plent of games where Rasho has started but played less that 24 minutes. That can continue with Nazr getting some of Rasho's minutes.

The starting poslitions shouldn't be futzed with until October.

[whottt]

I call bull . They have Tim Thomas, Mike Sweetney, Jerome Williams, and Trevor Ariza who have all been running at SF.

Call bull all you want...but first realize that you just labeled Mike Sweetney as a Small Forward. I am glad you aren't our coach otherwise you'd have Rasho lining up at SF....and what really makes that sick is that Rasho is more of a SF than Sweetny.

Secondly...why don't you look at who was starting for Tim Thomas recently.

And Williams may have a SF's body but he's got less of a jumpshot than Shaq.

Besides, if Nazr being new to the Spurs is not a legitimate excuse, neither is Rose playing 3-5 minutes at the SF each game. After all, the RCG (Rose Colored Glasses) folks have it in their folk lore that Malik can play all five positions on the court he's so good.

Nazr being new to the Spurs, being injured, ect...are all legitimate excuses...I just don't see the need to make a midseason trade for a guy whose got excuses to not play well..I'd rather have stuck with the healthy player who knew the team. I think it would have made a different in our record right now.

I didn't want a player who had excuses to suck. I wanted the best record in the NBA and I want a le.

Who said anything about the Hall of Fame dumbass? We're talking about starting him, or at the least giving him more minutes off the bench.

Nazr will never make the Hall, he's not near as good as Malik (granted Malik is the lock of locks at this point in his career, no one ever throws passes into the fifth row or pulls their jersey over their head quite like Rose).

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[Useruser666]

I think Whottt should create another screen name....call it anti-Whottt. Then he could continually argue these endless points back and forth.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Hey, if you can hold on to the dream that Malik, at 6'4", playing center in the West, was the reason we didn't get the one seed (with Duncan and Manu out), then Sweetney can get some run at SF for the Knicks.

[whottt]

Ok then why did Nazr suck for most of his Spurs stint? Why was Pop wondering if he was going to figure it out...why was he dropped behind Marks in the rotation...

He played 8 ing minutes in a double OT game with Duncan injured and Rasho getting injured.

What's your explanation for it?

Explain that and you'll explain why that trade hurt our chances at the 1 seed.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

He was behind Marks because Marks was playing better at the time.

That was three weeks ago though, things have changed, when will you recognize that?

As for the 1 seed, you have this ed up sense of reality. We lost the one seed because our two All-Stars were out hurt, not because your glorified 10th man on the bench lost a pissing match with coach.

[T Park]

We lost the one seed because our two All-Stars were out hurt

duh, Malik would've made up for BOTH of them dont you know that by now?

[whottt]

He was behind Marks because Marks was playing better at the time.

No ...do you think that's a positive?

That was three weeks ago though, things have changed, when will you recognize that?

I recognized it before you evidently,

As for the 1 seed, you have this ed up sense of reality. We lost the one seed because our two All-Stars were out hurt, not because your glorified 10th man on the bench lost a pissing match with coach.

Wrong...if we miss out on it by 1 or 2 games there will be numerous games to blame...but there will definitely be games that we lost because of that trade.

There were games where Nazr was physically injured...now unless you want to say Grant Hill has been a better player than Bowen for the past 4 years...you need to just admit it.

The guy sucked...so bad, he played 8 minutes in a double OT game with No Duncan and only a partial Rasho...

You show me when Malik was ever that low on the rotation...

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

When was Malik ever so low on the rotation? man, he was getting Did Not Play - Coach's Decisions. How low can you go?

As for the Marks/Nazr "positive", there were times when Beno was playing better than Parker, I guess we should start Udrih. I mean that's the same rationale you're using now.

The trade happened Feb. 24, it's time for you to get over it, Malik ain't coming back except once a year when we play the Knicks.

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It was obvious Nazr was hesistant and confused coming into a new system, uncertain of his role. That was hurting his on court play. He's figuring it out and he's playing as good or better than the people wanting another post defender could have hoped for.

Meanwhie, after a first couple of games where Malik reverted to the hustle player, not calling for the ball all the time, he has regressed back to the mean and his play has not stood out as a positive in the least for a crumbling Knicks team.

But we could have gotten that best record if we'd only kept Malik (maybe). Of course we wouldn't have had that impact post and help defender Nazr appears he will give us but wtf it's only the playoffs not the all important regular season record.

and btw Suns probably won't get past Dallas so you'll have that precious HCA anyways.

[whottt]

When was Malik ever so low on the rotation? man, he was getting Did Not Play - Coach's Decisions. How low can you go?

Big deal...Horry has gotten DNPCD'ed too.

As for the Marks/Nazr "positive", there were times when Beno was playing better than Parker, I guess we should start Udrih. I mean that's the same rationale you're using now.

No, that just means you don't realize how badly Nazr was playing, it wasn't just because Marks had a better game...That must have been when you were moving to Dallas....because he sucked...there was not a single redeeming quality about his play...not a single one. He was flat out awful in every aspect of the game. He was bad. So bad he got 8 minutes in a double OT game.

The trade happened Feb. 24, it's time for you to get over it, Malik ain't coming back except once a year when we play the Knicks.

LMAO...this is getting repe ive...in one thread you called me out for comments made 2 months ago, Mr.Present...and this one is discussing the ramifications of that trade.

And furthermore...you need to stop living in the future, because we haven't won a le yet, Mohammed hasn't proven he can be effective off the bench yet...and 1 game doesn't prove he's got the D figured out yet.

[Spurminator]

Is Nazr's production from the first few games really a concern right now? I can't figure out what this argument is about.

This is what happens when you rush to proclaim something a success or failure.

[whottt]

Well said Spurminator...and right now everyone is proclaiming this trade a success because of a recent hot streak by Nazr as a starter, but he's pretty much sucked badly for the bulk of his time here...Malik has had more impressive games as a starter...he's had games off the bench that were more impressive than these...in fact he had some off the bench that were more impressive the week he was traded.

The whole thing is if Nazr is going to be able to play like this off the bench...if he can do that, well that will rule quite honestly..but if he can't the trade will have totally sucked, for this season anyway....because he doesn't play D good enough yet to start ahead of Rasho...

[ChumpDumper]

What happened to the Knicks' tank job anyway?