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    Iverson should go to Miami. It makes the most sense to team him up with Wade who needs another superstar to take pressure off of him.

    Iverson and Wade sounds like a damning combo on paper.

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    iverson
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    would be sick
    It would be hilarious. Simply put a double or triple on Iverson, Randolph or Gay every time they get the ball and it'll be a 24 second violation festival, because they'll refuse to pass.

    Memphis looks like a shipwreck. They need to trade Gay, Iverson and Randolph for a star and a good team player.

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    AI's biggest problem is not his ego but that he sucks coming off the bench and does not know how to play without dominating the ball. I really don't think it's so much that he thinks he's to good to do it, but that he doesn't want to suck. He tried to do it last year and he sucked at it. I'm sure pride plays some kind of role in his issues, but you are talking about a guy that is used to dominating, and he really can't do that without also dominating the ball. Maygbe not ego so much as that he doesn't think he can do it.



    It's not that easy to jump between the bench and starting like Manu can and not many players can do it, especially jumping to the bench. That is why Manu has had to do it so many times. Monroe made some good points on Manu being in the HOF but I think it's much more of a certainty already because they will take his International and European career into account and they will also take into account the fact that he is the greatest player from Argentina. He's had that locked up for a long time I think.

    I mean that Gold Medal he won he went through AI(and some other great players).
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    He should have went to Charlotte, it made sense for both sides, I don't know how it fell through..

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    This is just the follow up to the story from a few seasons ago. Iverson ed about the idea of him coming off the bench in his first game back from an injury and didn't play. The next night, Tim Duncan returned from an injury and didn't start for the Spurs. To this day, it is the only game he's played for the Spurs without starting.

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    What seems to be getting lost in the recent AI conversation, is that AI hasn't been asked to come off the bench permanently, to move to the sixth man spot, or to limit his minutes over the season. AI missed the preseason and the first three games, with a muscle tear. AI hadn't played with the team yet, and was nursing a muscle injury, a type of injury which has the potential to reinjure/aggravate... so naturally, he was working his way into game shape and full rotation, and rumors say, set for a starting role by the Grizz Clippers game. What's also being glossed over is the context of his comments. His "I'm no damn back-up" was a statement directly addressed at his teammates, and meant to show them up. Conley was sitting next to AI when he made the statement, and AI made a point of letting the entire locker room know that with the current starters, Grizzlies wouldn't win. Also, to add context, in his last game, AI waived off a screen, yelling at the bench (coach? teammates?) "I don't need no ing screen to get my shot off!" C'mon, man. These are significant indicators of a big AI problem, that can't be brushed aside by AI apologists. This is not a matter of AI being lambasted for merely speaking his mind, or for AI being AI, or the injustice due to Grizz misleading AI prior to the start of this season. This is AI blowing up (and not in the good way, but in the self-destruct way).

    Here are the facts: 1) No other viable offers from other NBA team other than Grizz; 2) AI skills decline (debatable-- but did shoot Nuggets out of playoffs against Spurs)/ or at least, No NBA team confident AI can still be franchise player (self-evident); 3) AI out with injury, miss pre-season, miss first 3 games; 4) AI throws temper tantrum (justified or not) after very first game in which he played 18 minutes and was in the game for the final shot of the game (teammates did not pass ball to AI, wonder why?); 5) AI implies that team cannot win with current starters/ breaks plays while on court/ criticizes coach for failure to communicate with AI/ claims was mislead about Grizz being in rebuilding mode (if they even really are); 6) Constantly references his resume, and specifically relies on his statement that he's never come of the bench in 26 years of basketball, such that he's Shocked, yes Shocked that coming off the bench would now be raised for the first time ever, despite having come of bench last year for Pistons, and despite oblique statements from team owner that there were specific discussions about rotation this past summer prior to signing; 7) and... a;slkdfja;pslkdfja;sdjf ... on and on.

    Look, before you flame me, I get it. AI is a hall of famer. Scoring. Passing. 76ers in the finals. Neck tats. Cornrows. I agree, he's awesome. but at the same time, he's also acting like a loon, and seriously messing with this teams ability to function, same as he did with Detroit, Denver, 76ers, only now, even more so. He is currently at odds with the team owner, head coach, and teammates, and has now in two consecutive seasons pulled a disappearing act on his team after publicly complaining about his treatment by the team. Both can be true: he's awesome; he's wrong.

    What's the sole root of the AI Grizzlies problem? AI is the Answer.

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    What seems to be getting lost in the recent AI conversation, is that AI hasn't been asked to come off the bench permanently, to move to the sixth man spot, or to limit his minutes over the season. AI missed the preseason and the first three games, with a muscle tear. AI hadn't played with the team yet, and was nursing a muscle injury, a type of injury which has the potential to reinjure/aggravate... so naturally, he was working his way into game shape and full rotation, and rumors say, set for a starting role by the Grizz Clippers game. What's also being glossed over is the context of his comments. His "I'm no damn back-up" was a statement directly addressed at his teammates, and meant to show them up. Conley was sitting next to AI when he made the statement, and AI made a point of letting the entire locker room know that with the current starters, Grizzlies wouldn't win. Also, to add context, in his last game, AI waived off a screen, yelling at the bench (coach? teammates?) "I don't need no ing screen to get my shot off!" C'mon, man. These are significant indicators of a big AI problem, that can't be brushed aside by AI apologists. This is not a matter of AI being lambasted for merely speaking his mind, or for AI being AI, or the injustice due to Grizz misleading AI prior to the start of this season. This is AI blowing up (and not in the good way, but in the self-destruct way).

    Here are the facts: 1) No other viable offers from other NBA team other than Grizz; 2) AI skills decline (debatable-- but did shoot Nuggets out of playoffs against Spurs)/ or at least, No NBA team confident AI can still be franchise player (self-evident); 3) AI out with injury, miss pre-season, miss first 3 games; 4) AI throws temper tantrum (justified or not) after very first game in which he played 18 minutes and was in the game for the final shot of the game (teammates did not pass ball to AI, wonder why?); 5) AI implies that team cannot win with current starters/ breaks plays while on court/ criticizes coach for failure to communicate with AI/ claims was mislead about Grizz being in rebuilding mode (if they even really are); 6) Constantly references his resume, and specifically relies on his statement that he's never come of the bench in 26 years of basketball, such that he's Shocked, yes Shocked that coming off the bench would now be raised for the first time ever, despite having come of bench last year for Pistons, and despite oblique statements from team owner that there were specific discussions about rotation this past summer prior to signing; 7) and... a;slkdfja;pslkdfja;sdjf ... on and on.

    Look, before you flame me, I get it. AI is a hall of famer. Scoring. Passing. 76ers in the finals. Neck tats. Cornrows. I agree, he's awesome. but at the same time, he's also acting like a loon, and seriously messing with this teams ability to function, same as he did with Detroit, Denver, 76ers, only now, even more so. He is currently at odds with the team owner, head coach, and teammates, and has now twice consecutively pulled a disappearing act on his team after publicly complaining about his treatment by the team. Both can be true: he's awesome; he's wrong.

    What's the sole root of the AI Grizzlies problem? AI is the Answer.
    +1 Very well said.

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    Allen Iverson is headed to the Hall, too
    LOL. WTF has he won besides bad reputation as a selfish ?

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    LOL. WTF has he won besides bad reputation as a selfish ?


    He's still a selfish with 10 all star appearances, 4 scoring les, an MVP trophy and a ROY. I wouldn't want AI on my team, but his HOF induction is guaranteed.

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    It's just hilarious to make such a comparison. Ginobili should be compared to super sixthmen like Kevin McHale, Tony Kukoc, who are the key parts of dynasty teams.

    AI is more like Vince Carter, Tracy McGrady, Jerry Stackhouse...those kind of players.
    Did you just call AI an underachieving loser?
    lmao that's exactly what I got out of it too! Seriously no comparison! Manu is a TEAM PLAYER! He's all about the win, seed position, and rings! Not his own personal stats and achievments, although he's such a badass and has collected many along the way. He's just all about what's best for the team, no matter the minutes and if that includes coming off the bench to bring a spark! Ultimate Sixth man!

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    He's still a selfish with 10 all star appearances, 4 scoring les, an MVP trophy and a ROY. I wouldn't want AI on my team, but his HOF induction is guaranteed.
    And no rings... oh, and no team either

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    Iverson is a guy who's always in trouble. And it never is his fault if you ask him. He needs to be kicked out of the NBA although he can play. He was born to be a full-time gangster, let him.

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    And no rings... oh, and no team either
    Neither of which will keep him out of the HOF.

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    We're talking about a back-up. A back-up. Not a starter, a back-up. A back-up is a back-up. I mean, really guys, come on here! We're talking about a BACK-UP. A. Back. Up. A back-up.

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    Allen is a whiny team-killing , but if there's a better individual player in NBA history under 6'1", I don't know about him.

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