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    Rising above the Fray spursncowboys's Avatar
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    You completely misunderstood the article if your concern is inflation.
    That is not my only concern and I didn't misunderstand.

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    But I haven't been to bed yet, so the preceding may all be horse
    You made good points, I thought.

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    Keep it short

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    WH what you call defending Obama isn't defending Obama but just providing reminders that the GOP does have a hand in this as well. Semantics maybe, but an important distinction to know where I'm coming from.

    As I said earlier, ultimately when you have the power you eitehr use it or you suffere the consequences. The Dems and Obama have obviously left it short here and they'll pay the price for that but it must also be noted that this was more than likely an unattainable proposition to begin with.

    We can be critical of them failing to meet the goal but I think we should also leave open the possibility that given the political climate and the oppositions actions that reaching a higher level of stimulus was simply politically impossible.





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    We can be critical of them failing to meet the goal but I think we should also leave open the possibility that given the political climate and the oppositions actions that reaching a higher level of stimulus was simply politically impossible.
    Since Obama and the Dems never even tried to get the amount theoretically necessary to cover the gap, we'll never know.

    I think it is truer to say Obama was afraid to ask for anything over $1 trillion. A political calculation was made that a price tag over $1 trillion would have been politically impossible.

    The calculation sounds reasonable; a stimulus more proportional to the problem would've been even better. It seems to be your opinion that the administration only bowed to the reality principle; it is mine that it did so needlessly, or perhaps better, prematurely.

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    The calculation sounds reasonable; a stimulus more proportional to the problem would've been even better. It seems to be your opinion that the administration only bowed to the reality principle; it is mine that it did so needlessly, or perhaps better, prematurely.
    Agreed. You don't open negotiations low-balling yourself.

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    lol @ thinking he should have asked for more instead of just spending more wisely that which he originally allocated.

    See how that agenda cancels out the smarts.
    Last edited by EmptyMan; 11-16-2009 at 05:44 PM.

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    Since Obama and the Dems never even tried to get the amount theoretically necessary to cover the gap, we'll never know.

    I think it is truer to say Obama was afraid to ask for anything over $1 trillion. A political calculation was made that a price tag over $1 trillion would have been politically impossible.

    The calculation sounds reasonable; a stimulus more proportional to the problem would've been even better. It seems to be your opinion that the administration only bowed to the reality principle; it is mine that it did so needlessly, or perhaps better, prematurely.
    The trillion amount was just a made up number anyways. Like the amount it took to rebuild the areas affected by Katrina. I know they needed a stimulus because they thought it was going to get real bad. I realize these guys are politicians and want to one up each other, but this was a mess to start with. There should have been goals decide upon and then an amount should have been guestimated. A tax credit on companies that ________. Like H.Clinton and Rahm said though this was a way of using a crisis. No one really thought, in the crisis, what would make America better. Everyone was talking about rescue and saving.

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    im starting to see the light. this woman cupp is amazing. i dont know what she is saying but i suddnely hate democrats and i cant keep my eyes off her:


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