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It doesn't matter what the truth is. It is the soldiers responsibility to make sure their children can be cared for if deployed. If the military wanted you to have children, they would have been issued.
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Obviously, we are only getting half of the story. Maybe her superiors have a valid reason to believe she is being dishonest about the situation.
It doesn't matter what the truth is. It is the soldiers responsibility to make sure their children can be cared for if deployed. If the military wanted you to have children, they would have been issued.
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If you join the Air Force, you get to work on the bridge of the Enterprise and redirect satellites.
btw, I hope Wild Cobra's new avatar doesn't up my monitor.
LOL...
Or your eyes?
Doesn't the military have daycare centers? Let her be part of it this way she can stay home have her baby and run the day care as she trains the young kids in military tactics that they will need in the future.
I say let her have her military benefits as long as she promises her child will join the military also its a win win situation for everyone case closed.
I had a long thought out reply to all the people who know everything yet have not been in the military, but then I asked myself why try.
What would you know about being a soldier when you say this in the politics forum?
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=139700
lol include the context brah
If the military wanted you to have children, they would have been issued.
If the Army is just like any other employer than they should be able to voluntarily quit as easy as they voluntarily signed up. Its not the same. Its ownership. The Military doesn't typically sign people up because they want to be in the military they're signed up based on the sales pitch of all the extra benefits and what nots. Once reality sets in and you realize that you've sold your soul to the devil how could you not want out.
Its real simple. They own you so you can't get out. Slavery vs. job. If they didn't own you half or more of the recruits would walk after realizing it wasn't quite what was pitched in that nice cozy office.
'preciate that.I had a long thought out reply to all the people who know everything yet have not been in the military, but then I asked myself why try.
You know B2B I'm not going to disagree with any of your comments, because having been a military wife for 15+ years has shown me that, to a certain extent, your opinions are accurate. I also realize that my own opinions of the military are based on my experiences, which are atypical to those of most military spouses. I've had the good fortune to be married to a high ranking physician and I know my lifestyle cannot be fairly compared to that of the average GI.
But as you point out the recruiting practices of the military are glamorized, and a less astute person may be swayed by them. But, these recruitment practices have always been the same. When I was a kid, when there was no military action taking place in the world, it was "Be all that you can be" "A few good men" etc, and as I recall the tv commercials were as glamorous then as now. Many people enlisted then and had wonderful careers, never having seen military action. The recruiting practices are exactly the same, we just see it differently now because there is a military action happening. The recruits now are actually having to do the job they were hired to do, and some don't like it.
Also as far as being a regular employer, I probably misspoke there. I really see it more as the military hired as contractors. They sign a contract to provide a service, and they shouldn't be surprised when they are expected to provide that service.
p.s. sorry my post is so disjointed, but for some reason my finger kept hitting submit, so I had to go back and fix/add things
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I have to give you credit for this. Most officers' wives suck
I really wouldn't know. Can you believe that in all this time i have never socialized with another military wife, of any rank?I have to give you credit for this. Most officers' wives suck
SnobI really wouldn't know. Can you believe that in all this time i have never socialized with another military wife, of any rank?
I like pepper jack cheese
I understand that it might be a bit intimidating - we're a wild bunch at times.I really wouldn't know. Can you believe that in all this time i have never socialized with another military wife, of any rank?
Jackass!
co-Jackass!
Just because I like Pepperjack?
Tough to please a woman huh.
No joke. She strikes me as a extra sharp cheddar chick.
More like voluntary indentured servitude.
Speak for yourself. Sales pitch or not, most people know exactly what they are getting in to because they already know people in the service. I assume that can apply to a few, who didn't really think things out, but in general, I disagree with the implication of the sales pitch.
Well, considering how many people re-enlist, I don't see that concept as holding too much water.
Are you saying more than half don't reenlist for that reason? I disagree. Sure, less than half stay in after their first term, but now, most I think want to exploit their earned benefits. Today, you still might have a hard time making plans until your reserve obligation is up, but you have the college, veterans loan, and so many others including preferred higher to other government agencies with 5% or 10% added to your hiring consideration. On top of that, it pays relatively well if you stay in.
2009 Military Pay:
Let's say you stayed in past 4 years. Chances are, you are an E-4 in rank The base pay is $2127.60 monthly. Now if you live in the barracks and are single, you have no expenses and that is mostly mad money. You also get a small clothing allowance, maybe combat pay or other incentives depending on you job. If you are at 4 years, married, and have a child, all this changes. You get a housing allowance, COLA adjust by area, Here is what you get as an E-4 <4 years (next step 6 years):
$323.87 Monthly Basic Allowance for Subsistence (BAS)
$681.90 Monthly housing allowance +COLA adjust by area
$543.60 male annual clothing allowance
$633.60 female annual clothing allowance
OK, now we are looking at a minimum of $3178.67 monthly to live in the cheapest city in the USA. On top of that, only the base pay is taxes.
After a person's first term, they have a realistic decision to make, it's hard to find jobs that pay as well for most people once they join.
Now I took the time in Excel to calculate something. E-4 with two dependents living off base in the cheapest cost of living area makes an equivalent $42.8k annual, the equivalent of $20.59 per hour. Now he only makes $18.34 per hour ($38.1k annual) but only pays taxes on the base pay. Now of course, in a state with a state income tax, he makes even more equivalent. Now if we take that to a higher cost area, and say he gets a $500 monthly COLA. This changes to an equivalent annual of $50.8k, 0r $24.43 annual. He is now making $21.22 hourly based on 2080 hours and $44.1k actual annual. The soldier is in the 10% marginal tax bracket, the civilian making more for the same net income is in the 15%. Now this will even get more dramatic when the Bush Tax cuts expire.
These numbers only get better with time in service. At E-6 with 10 years. The soldier is now in the 15% marginal tax bracket, and his civilian counterpart, in the 25%.
$55.1k actual annual pay
$26.51 actual hourly
$68.6k effective annual pay
$38.80 effective hourly
20 years E-7
$66.6k actual annual pay
$32.00 actual hourly
$95.73k effective annual pay
$46.02 effective hourly
What I don't get is where are all the Abortion supporters at? If there ever was a time for an Abortion this is it! After all why can't the Military give her an abortion it's not like they don't know how to kill an innocent baby.
You sure keep a bunch of disgusting pictures.
Anyway, the military does do abortions,but it's also a "choice" issue of the mother's.
What I would be curious about, is, where is the father?
learn to right click and go to properties, the picture is off of Google you taint sniffing mother er!
They have to support ObamaAnyway, the military does do abortions,
Good thing your's made the right choice how else would we have proof we landed on the Moon if you was not here to prove it?but it's also a "choice" issue of the mother's.
maybe you can ask your Myth Busters buddies if they can produce him in a lab like they proved we went to the Moon.What I would be curious about, is, where is the father?
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