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    So you gave up on finding a link to the AP equally holding a research team to Obama's book?

    I never started. Only Palin and her supporters seem afraid of that kind of scrutiny.

    So you are now admitting you have no idea if Obama's book was fact checked or not.


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    I know! it's kind of hard to believe those hayseed missipi baptist pro life boys at the NYT, CBS, and AP missed out on an easy target.
    Whatever dude. If it takes utter delusion to make you feel better, feel free. But good night, call me once you get some rationale.

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    I never started. Only Palin and her supporters seem afraid of that kind of scrutiny.

    So you are now admitting you have no idea if Obama's book was fact checked or not.

    You said it was easy, that means you already knew of a link to back you up.

    but i guess your lack of a link means you conceded.

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    Whatever dude. If it takes utter delusion to make you feel better, feel free.
    sure. I'll have what you're smoking.

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    You said it was easy, that means you already knew of a link to back you up.
    No, making you move the goalposts was too easy.

    but i guess your lack of a link means you conceded.
    I already gave you a link to your moving of the goalposts.

    Now, how do you know the Obama book was not fact checked?

    You made that assertion, so you can back it up with a link.

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    the right-wing fact checked Magic Negro and came up with plenty of lies ... their own lies about Magic Negro.

    As the "Christians" love to say, "seek and ye shall find"

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    Why do people give this attention attention? Honestly, if the news and media would just ignore this , she would go away.

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    You've read both books?

    You're basing your conclusion on which has the lies on fact checking which was performed on one, and not the other, are you not?

    Meh.
    I'm basing my conclusion on the dozens of reports of various people associated with Palin's book coming out before the fact checking to point out it was full of lies.

    The moment anyone had any bit of that book there were reports contradicting what Palin said. THAT is why it was so extensively fact checked.

    However in any event, anyone is free to fact check any book that anyone has written. Instead of listening to the "not fair" bull coming forth from Palin why aren't more people focused on her lies? Classic tatic when caught lying is to turn it around and act pissed off at the WAY you were caught.
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    ANyone can factcheck. However why are journalist doing it? Why 11? MIG: just because someone disagrees with her doesn't make it alie. Also the supposed lies come from the people who were put in a bad light in her book. Of course these buerocrats are going to disagree with what happened. That doesn't make it a lie.

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    Yeah, the right could have proved the Audacity of Hope was complete fiction, they're just such good people that they decided to leave Obama alone. GMAFB.

    Tell ya what, if Obama's next book is basically a ghost writer re-telling a bunch of flat out fabrications on his behalf, you jackasses can have at him.

    Hmmmm.

    You admitting AP is "The Left"?

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    I'm basing my conclusion on the dozens of reports of various people associated with Palin's book coming out before the fact checking to point out it was full of lies.

    The moment anyone had any bit of that book there were reports contradicting what Palin said. THAT is why it was so extensively fact checked.

    However in any event, anyone is free to fact check any book that anyone has written. Instead of listening to the "not fair" bull coming forth from Palin why aren't more people focused on her lies? Classic tatic when caught lying is to turn it around and act pissed off at the WAY you were caught.

    Good post.

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    Based on the way the media treated Palin in the campaign, this level of scrutiny on her book shouldn't surprise anyone.

    Frankly, I think the entire media blitz she's currently on is a little attention- ish.

    I don't think she's an idiot and she has some good ideas, she's just very clumsy at articulating them verbally.

    And her ing about the Katie Couric interview on Oprah and calling Couric "the perky one" struck me as petty and made her look a bit foolish. Palin's a bit "perky" herself and that's part of what annoys me about her. Oprah gave her a big stage to clear the air about what newspapers and magazines she reads (still a dumb question, IMO), but she didn't even do it.

    She has good, conservative ideas -- she's just a horrible candidate and I kinda wish she'd just go away.

    Fellow conservatives, you may flame away.

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    Won't happen. She's not going to run in 2012. If she were going to run, she never would have quit the governorship. Her plan doesn't involve political office. It involves spending the next few years cashing in on the book and lecture circuit. Something that she would have been unable to do while holding the job as governor. So she writes a book knowing full well that both people who love her and hate her will obsess over every word in it and that will drive sales. Between now and 2012 she'll continue to keep herself in the public eye and will never say that she's going to run, but never completely closing the door either just to keep people interested in her. Then when it finally comes time for a decision she'll say she's not running and will ride off into the sunset thanking her supporters and laughing at her critics, having made a load of coin in the process. In the end, she wins. Ain't politics grand?
    Bingo. She is gaming the game. These silly cuckolds are so filled with hate they have no idea she is banking off of them. Keith O and TingleTingle get up in the morning and spend their lives devoting time for the profession to a harmless "nobody".


    They are like the nerd who always talks about the head cheerleader. The obsession is obvious to others, yet the nerd thinks others are taking him seriously LOL

    FFS after all of the clowns the Left has currently propped up into high positions, they have such passionate vigor about Palin who does not even hold an office? Twilight zoneeeeeee
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    .She has good, conservative ideas -- she's just a horrible candidate and I kinda wish she'd just go away.
    What are her good, conservative ideas?

    Do you mean "good conservative ideas" like upping taxes on energy companies to boost the annual royalty check Alaskans receive from their state government?

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    What are her good, conservative ideas?

    Do you mean "good conservative ideas" like upping taxes on energy companies to boost the annual royalty check Alaskans receive from their state government?

    You mean she did something that generated enormous wealth for the residents of her state? She was governor at the time, right?

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    WH,

    Palin was against drilling in ANWAR too, right?

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    I don't deny it made her very popular in a state so heavily dependent on public subsidy as Alaska. But what's so conservative about transferring profits and private wealth to the public?

    Isn't that the very same "spreading the wealth around" Palin denounced on the campaign trail?

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    WH,

    Palin was against drilling in ANWAR too, right?
    Drill here, drill now.

    Whether private companies ought to be allowed to exploit public nature preserves doesn't strike me as an intrinsically ideological dispute, though no doubt it became one.

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    I don't deny it made her very popular in a state so heavily dependent on public subsidy as Alaska. But what's so conservative about transferring profits and private wealth to the public?

    Isn't that the very same "spreading the wealth around" Palin denounced on the campaign trail?

    That's a bit of a stretch. I don't equate this with, say, putting a surtax on doctors, lawyers, executives etc. to pay for a universal heath care system.


    Did her tax result in the oil companies leaving the state and laying off workers?

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    WTF? How is it a stretch at all? Its actually the exact same thing.

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    That's a bit of a stretch.
    One for one correspondence, IMO.

    I don't equate this with, say, putting a surtax on doctors, lawyers, executives etc. to pay for a universal heath care system.
    Neither do I. It's still redistribution of wealth, i.e., spreading the wealth around.

    Did her tax result in the oil companies leaving the state and laying off workers
    I'm not sure it matters. It's a matter of equity. What right did Alaskans have to even more of the private profits of oil and gas companies?

    I'd really be surprised if you thought levels of taxation ought to be pegged to ability to pay -- that's not a traditionally conservative POV.
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    I'm still waiting to hear about Sarah Palin's good conservative ideas. Are there any besides "Drill baby, drill?"

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    I'm still waiting to hear about Sarah Palin's good conservative ideas. Are there any besides "Drill baby, drill?"

    I've already stated that she has SOME ideas that I agree with, but I don't like her as a candidate. I wasn't trying to turn this thread into one where I hash out all her policy stances and you, in turn, refute them. You pointed out one executive decision she made that ended up being a windfall for the residents of her state. I could just as easily point out a vote made by Senator Obama that greatly improved the lives of Illinois residents -- I just can't think of any.

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    I've already stated that she has SOME ideas that I agree with
    Like? Please state them. You said *ideas*. Is there more than one of them?

    You pointed out one executive decision she made that ended up being a windfall for the residents of her state.
    Based on a socialistic redistribution of wealth, yes. Was it just because the oil companies could afford it? Didn't it tap funds that otherwise might have been used for exploration and extraction?

    I could just as easily point out a vote made by Senator Obama that greatly improved the lives of Illinois residents -- I just can't think of any.
    You shouldn't generalize from your own ignorance, but sad to say, that's a big part of your MO, and a big reason you regularly end up kicking your own ass in this forum.
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    I wasn't trying to turn this thread into one where I hash out all her policy stances and you, in turn, refute them.
    Tough luck. You claimed Palin has conservative ideas. So far, you can't back it up. Should you continue to refuse to, that pretty much speaks for itself.

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