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Absolutely. And truthfully, Tim Duncan needs to get a little dirt on him here as well. 22 and 14 look good, but that was just barely enough to keep his production from being cancelled out by Drew Gooden's 17 and 11.
I got something else to add about rebounds. What are the excuses for Dice and Blair if they are only to combine for 5 rebounds when Matt Bonner has 10? Count them with your fingers. Matt actually had a double double this game. Yes, I know Blair played only around 6 minutes. Pop pulled him out cause he was not doing his job. Why are we even relying on Richard Jefferson to grab rebounds? He also grabbed 10 boards. Isn't rebounding a responsibility of the bigs?
Absolutely. And truthfully, Tim Duncan needs to get a little dirt on him here as well. 22 and 14 look good, but that was just barely enough to keep his production from being cancelled out by Drew Gooden's 17 and 11.
Yes and no. In their defense I would say that Dallas is mostly a jump shooting team, and so you will see more long rebounds. That's why guards like Kidd and Jefferson got that many boards. Bonner also was checking Dirk mostly outside the paint, so that would explain that. Gooden and Tim were doing most of the work inside, and they got their share.
Even then, Balir barely played, so I can't fault him that much. But Dice could have probably done better.
The positioning required by our bigs on the defensive end has a lot to do with their ability to more easliy rebound as well. In this system...it's not always the player's fault.
Many times our bigs are just too far out from the paint to be able to re-establish position on the boards. Over the last few years...opponents have figured out they can crash the boards with some resemblance of succes than they would have against other teams that play more of a traditional two big lineup on defense.
Case in point...last nights tip in from Dirk. He had an open lane to run down in order for the easy put back. Because of rotations by our bigs...the closest person to Dirk was Hill. And he was on the wrong side of Dirk to even prevent that because of the double team rotation which sent Duncan over to defend the elbow while McDyess was cheating out along the opposite base line.
Nobody home to guard the fort. Women and children left unprotected.
I would say the Mavs have done a goob job of attacking the paint mostly due to second chance points and I saw Jefferson grab many rebounds in traffic. 46 points in the paint for the Mavs. Giving up too many 2nd chance points in the paint, resulting in our complaints.
Finley wasn't the problem last night. Sure, some of those minutes could have gone to Bogans or Hairston but Finley was hitting his shots and that seems to be all that is required of him. Not that Kidd is an offensive threat but at least Finley stuck with him.
Mason, on the other hand, needs to be glued to the bench.
McDyess was inserted into the starting lineup with Duncan so he's not going to get many defensive rebounds. So instead you look at offensive rebounds and he got 3 which is a good number.
Bonner got a lot of defensive rebounds in the 2nd unit and overall looked good rebounding, he's actually being aggressive and jumping higher than I've ever seen him. He hit some timely 3's in the 1st half.
Bonner still has his problems though.
One of those is still his man to man defense which is poor. Both Nowitski and Gooden took turns beating him silly 1 vs 1. His pick and roll defense was suspect too. Help defense is not something his repertoire, period.
Bonner's offense and ball handling still makes me cringe too. He had a couple bad travelling violations. Seems like he's trying to do too much. He should probably just never dribble, period. Pop should just tell him to take 3's and if your not open to shoot then pass the ball.
fin probably played his best game against the mavs since 2006 playoffs
but i still rather have had hairston or bogans out there
LOL stupid Spurmz fanz. You wanna play Duncan 46 minutes, McDyess 47, Manu w/injury 48 minutes, Mason 45.
Go for it.
Stupid stupid stupid stupid
Must suck to be a Spur. the player, because his fans suck so bad.
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Finley wasn't the problem last night..
Ok so if Finley wasnt the problem then explain this to me, we are gonna be running this ship with Fin getting all those minutes?
man we're not goin to the Finals much less the WCF if fin is out there for that long ... im not being negative we might as well give the rings to the celtics we aint nowhere goin near them rings...
forget the Lakers if the celts are healthy lakers cant handle them DAMN
Why the get Hairston, Bogans, Haislip and NOT USE them for the team to improve ??
Im a true fan but this is getting old already , how the Hairston will help the team if you aint gonna use him ... haislip how the will he be comfortable in the NBA if hes not gettin any burn... HOW? practice?
finley out thre even though he does hes job is NOT gonna be enough for the team to move forward ... its like last years team pretty much this is makin me lose sleep !!!
Go ahead and cliff jump, your posts are not even insightful (thread starter), I already said Duncan should not be the one grabbing all the boards. Why do you even want to play defense if you are just going to allow an offensive tip-in. Besides, it only seemed like Duncan was the one who got beaten silly by Gooden because that was what I saw. People really expect Bonner to guard Dirk efficiently? At least know the limitations of our players. I am only bashing McDyess cause I know he can do better.
where the did i mention dice? i aint got nothing agaisnt dice?? ...
im all for dice being out there cos soooner or later he will produce ... unlike FIn who was given all the chance and playing time last year but its just aint gonna work !!!
my point was if we are running with our horses might as well use the young guns coz right now our old horse FINLEY is not gonna cut it for the team ... if we lose with Hairston, Haislip, Bogans playing then so be it atleast we tried somthing else.... not a repeat of last years approach
you get my point ? ha? u get it?
The you think I was only talking about you. Finley was hitting big shots. Pop was riding with the hot hand. So you want Malik Hairston to get 15 minutes when he has not played more than 15 minutes total this season. I would call for Pop's head because if that happened, I would have thought he had gone mad. It was only this last game where Finley was given huge minutes cause Ginobili is out. The minutes have to go to Finley because he happens to our only other wing other than Jefferson who even seems capable of knocking down a ing shot. You are an idiot.
Haislip has proven he can't do in practice. Why else you think he was not playing? Bogans played but since no one was hitting shots and he did not do anything in particular so Pop took him out. Pop has shown he may be the best coach when it comes to adjustin on the fly. I doubt he planned to play Finley for that long. Ginobili's injury made him adjust. We needed more firepower with Parker out. Playing Finley was nothing short of justified. There you are complaining about it cause it will gradually reduce once we get a capable wing player who can defend and create his own shot. I also wanted Hairston to play, but if you think he is as good a shooter as Finley and spaced the floor as well, you are wrong. Pop is not going to play a young guy like Hairston in crunch time because of his inexperience.
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