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    this is a weird thread.

    the chinese are shockingly quiet in here.

    i think the le is a hoax.

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    Republicans are the communist Chinese biggest fans.

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    I'm saying it's an opinion piece. A blog entry. One that has no sources at all.
    That was not what I asked. The guy isn't stating his opinion about if the Chinese officials are worried or have raised questions about Obamacare. He didn't write "I think the Chinese may have asked questions". He states that they asked. So, the question remains: do you believe in what he wrote or you think he was lying?

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    That was not what I asked. The guy isn't stating his opinion about if the Chinese officials are worried or have raised questions about Obamacare. He didn't write "I think the Chinese may have asked questions". He states that they asked. So, the question remains: do you believe in what he wrote or you think he was lying?
    I believe he didn't back up his opinion with anything at all.

    Do you think he did?

    How many "officials" are there in China?

    Which ones did he personally contact?

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    I believe he didn't back up his opinion with anything at all.

    Do you think he did?

    How many "officials" are there in China?

    Which ones did he personally contact?
    You're still trying to dodge the question. It's not about his opinion, he's clearly stating that Chinese officials have raised questions about Obamacare. You either believe this is true (and that he got this info from reliable sources) or not. Which is it?

    Or do you never believe in any article that doesn't name sources?

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    the problem with this articles content is it lacks the inclusion of even one chinese official.

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    You're still trying to dodge the question. It's not about his opinion, he's clearly stating that Chinese officials have raised questions about Obamacare. You either believe this is true (and that he got this info from reliable sources) or not. Which is it?
    Since he never said where he got it and which officials said it, I am skeptical about it. I'm sure he has a bias regarding this subject.

    Or do you never believe in any article that doesn't name sources?
    Do you believe EVERY opinion blog that doesn't name sources? I don't.

    Why would every Chinese official keep completely off the record about this?

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    Since he never said where he got it and which officials said it, I am skeptical about it. I'm sure he has a bias regarding this subject.
    Why are you sure he has a bias? Because you don't like what he wrote? Do you have any proof the guy is biased or are you just throwing mud?


    http://www.tnr.com/article/economy/p...r-our-shoulder

    And yet, there was budget director Peter Orszag rushing to a lunch with Chinese bureaucrats on a Monday in late July. To his surprise, when Orszag arrived at the site of the annual U.S.-China Strategic and Economic Dialogue (S&ED), the Chinese didn’t dwell on the Wall Street meltdown or the global recession. The bureaucrats at his table mostly wanted to know about health care reform, which Orszag has helped shepherd. “They were intrigued by the most recent legislative developments,” Orszag says. “It was like, ‘You’re fresh from the field, what can you tell us?’?”


    As it happens, health care is much on the minds of the Chinese these days. Over the last few years, as China has become the world’s largest purchaser of Treasury bonds, the government has grown increasingly sophisticated in its understanding of U.S. budget deficits. The issue has become all the more pressing in recent months, as the financial crisis and recession pushed the deficit to record levels. With nearly half of their $2 trillion in foreign currency reserves invested in U.S. bonds alone, the Chinese are understandably concerned about our creditworthiness. And this concern has brought them ineluctably to the issue of health care. “At some point, if you refuse to contain health care costs, you’ll go bankrupt,” says Andy Xie, a prominent Shanghai-based economist, formerly of Morgan Stanley. “It’s widely known among [Chinese] policymakers.” Xie himself wrote a much-read piece on the subject in 2007 for Caijing magazine–kind of the Chinese version of Fortune.
    What about this?

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    i guess "intrigued" has taken on a whole new meaning.

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    The blogwriter's bias is clear. If you can't tell that, you are a poor reader.
    The bureaucrats at his table mostly wanted to know about health care reform, which Orszag has helped shepherd. “They were intrigued by the most recent legislative developments,” Orszag says. “It was like, ‘You’re fresh from the field, what can you tell us?’?”
    Well, since they are themselves starting to enact massive health care reform, they could very well want to know how we are going about it and compare/contrast it with their plans.

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    I guess we'll get a fact-check from Wolf Blitzer on this too.

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    The blogwriter's bias is clear. If you can't tell that, you are a poor reader.
    Again, do you have any proof that the writer is biased? Do you have any reason to say that besides not liking what he wrote?

    Well, since they are themselves starting to enact massive health care reform, they could very well want to know how we are going about it and compare/contrast it with their plans.
    Really? With the budget director?

    Btw, is the writer of this piece also biased?

    I think that for everyone besides hardcore fanatics it's clear that the Chinese are worried about Obamacare and raised questions about it.

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    Again, do you have any proof that the writer is biased? Do you have any reason to say that besides not liking what he wrote?
    Sure. His writing.

    Do you have any proof he had contact with Chinese officials who matter?

    Really? With the budget director?
    Why not? He seems to be involved in the budget, right?

    Btw, is the writer of this piece also biased?
    I don't believe in perfectly unbiased writers. It's a goal, but not one that can actually be realized.

    I think that for everyone besides hardcore fanatics it's clear that the Chinese are worried about Obamacare and raised questions about it.
    I think you really respect the communists and use them to guide your opinion on domestic policy. You have shown no proof to the contrary. Your bias is towards the communists.

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    And thanks for dodging my questions.

    Don't think it wasn't noticed.

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