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and tell me one more time jgw why are you for both the aggies and the trojans? I don't think I've heard the explanation
That first link is now my #1 reason for having a playoff. No more math, let's do it on the field.
That said, here is a case for the SEC being better this year.
also, the SEC is 62-39-5 all time versus the pac-10http://www.secsportsfan.com/2009-sec...omparison.html
Is SEC or Pac-10 Football the Best This Year?
Personally, I can’t stand rankings that reward depth over true excellence. From my point of view, a wealth of solid mediocrity does not make up for even a patch of greatness. For that reason, even if it were true that Pac 10 made up for the SEC’s top three with greater depth throughout, I would still argue that the SEC is a much better conference. That said, the fact is that the SEC is not just better than the Pac 10 at the top, it is stronger from list to doormat.
First, lets look at the top of the totem pole. The top four teams in the SEC are Florida, Alabama, LSU, and Ole Miss. The first two of these are currently undefeated and set to face off in a le game that will send one (and perhaps two if Texas chokes) of them to the BCS Championship Game. The third team, LSU, has three losses, which would indicate a precipitous drop in conference strength until one looks at the schedule. Florida, Alabama (away), and Ole Miss (away) accounted for these three loses so LSU actually lost three games to its top three rivals nationally; two of whom are also, non-incidentally, the top two squads in the nation.
As for Ole Miss, it also has three losses, but, again, two of these were on the road and all were to ranked teams. While those with short memories only notice that the Rebels just crawled back into the rankings, the fact is that they were a top-four team earlier this year, boast a win over rival LSU, and have lost only to Alabama (5-0), Auburn (5-2 at the time), and the upset special Game s.
Let's compare that to the top of the Pac 10. Last year, the West Coast case might have been stronger since USC was, according to many (myself included) actually the best team in the nation. However, after jaw dropping losses to Oregon (by 27), perennial conference doormat Stanford (by 34), and current doormat Washington, the Trojans are no-longer the class of their conference and don’t even belong in the same discussion with the SEC top four. While USC may recover next year as QB Matt Barkley matures, they simply are not in that ballpark right now.
Instead, the comparable (so to speak) teams in the Pac 10 are the Oregon Ducks (9-2 with losses to Boise State and Stanford), Oregon State (8-3 with losses to USC, Cincinnati, and un-ranked Arizona) and Cal (8-3). While the top two teams in the SEC are undefeated, the top two in the Pac 10 each have at least two losses (one to an unranked in-conference squad). Case closed on the top-of-the-pole discussion.
How about further on down the line? The Pac 10’s ‘strength’ relative to the SEC supposedly comes from the depth of its mediocrity. However, is it actually deeper than the SEC field? Teams 4-7 in the Pac 10 standings are Stanford (7-4 with two losses to unranked teams), USC (holding on to respectability by name recognition only), unranked Arizona (6-4), and UCLA (6-5). The comparable 4-7 field in the SEC consists of Arkansas (7-4 but 4-0 in non-SEC play), Auburn (7-4, ditto for non-SEC play, and began the season 5-0), Kentucky (7-4), and Tennessee (6-5). Notably, none of these teams (except UT's early season loss to UCLA) suffered a defeat outside the SEC, and none lost to teams that spent the entire season un-ranked. What this suggests is that, through squad 7, the SEC is almost unbeatable outside its own conference because their team losses are all in-conference AND to ranked teams.
Therefore, the conclusion is clear: not only is the SEC much better at the top, its strength extends all the way through seven teams. By comparison, the Pac 10’s top two barely crack the top 10 in the national rankings (whereas Florida and Alabama have traded 1-2 all season), and its middle group has several losses to unranked squads.
The ultimate conclusion: the SEC is exponentially better at the top and is, in fact, stronger seven teams deep as well. Of course, for those who want to judge a conference’s strength by its doormats, Washington does have two upset wins in the Pac 10 while Vanderbilt is still aweful. Some things just don’t change.
however, the pac-10 is 12-8 vs the SEC since 1998 (including 2 USC beatdowns of Auburn)
Last edited by symple19; 11-25-2009 at 12:21 PM.
and tell me one more time jgw why are you for both the aggies and the trojans? I don't think I've heard the explanation
no offense, but i don't care to talk about it anymore. i like who i like and support who i support. if you want to know, search the forum or ask someone else.
wasn't asking to bag on you dude, I just didn't know why
didn't think you were, its just been discussed ad nauseam.
right, you need to have PhD's in science, so your bright little minds can go out and create big global warming hoaxes with big government grants for big government favors and $$$$, those count, that's what makes a University Prestigious, how much money it can defraud the country for in the name of science and research
c'mon, the conferences are more about football than anything.
And mike, what am I ignoring? your problem right now, I think, is you're just pointing to one game here and one game there thinking that makes your argument. you think that USC playing SJSU completely proves a point on one side, and that Georgia Tech/Georgia completely proves the point on the other side. no, you have to see the whole picture, account for everything, there is a reason that the SEC teams, even though it is supposedly the best conference, don't have the highest SoS ratings, and that reason is they schedule more cupcakes than anyone else.
right, you need to have PhD's in science, so your bright little minds can go out and create big global warming hoaxes with big government grants for big government favors and $$$$, those count, that's what makes a University Prestigious, how much money it can defraud the country for in the name of science and research
c'mon, the conferences are more about football than anything.
And mike, what am I ignoring? your problem right now, I think, is you're just pointing to one game here and one game there thinking that makes your argument. you think that USC playing SJSU completely proves a point on one side, and that Georgia Tech/Georgia completely proves the point on the other side. no, you have to see the whole picture, account for everything, there is a reason that the SEC teams, even though it is supposedly the best conference, don't have the highest SoS ratings, and that reason is they schedule more cupcakes than anyone else.
capt. littletikes is hopeless...you have to ignore him on most things Pac 10 and whatever involves okie state and the big 12 south.
Proving my point is you being a coward and picking and chosing what arguements you want to present while ignoring the rest of the picture.
You say this SEC normally schedules lightwieghts; which when you ignore the fact that UGA played Boise, which I indeed did say but you glossed right over, must evidently be true. Therefore by default since the SEC can't schedule anyone Boise must be a cupcake as well. And then UCLA. And Az State. Oh, wait... those are P10 teams, and the P10 is so mighty, so that CAN'T be true. *waiting for universe to implode as the tap dancing begins* And uo. And SC. And Clemson. And Va Tek. And Fla State. And Ga Tek. You get the point. Basically you are saying on the one hand that the SEC, for example, schedules cupcakes and then forget who they actually play. The SEC has very recently played both your and jgw's teams (both of his, too) and you still maintain they don't schedule anyone, which is self serving, ignorant, and a lie all at the same time. Just like Metallica says, "You lie so much you believe yourself."
Arguing with you and jgw is exactly like arguing with my seven year old; she thinks she is always right when she obviously doesn't have a clue - but it seems SO clear to her.
Last edited by MajorMike; 11-26-2009 at 12:25 AM.
you just described yourself...your daughter must take after you. anyway, its clear the Pac-10 plays tougher out of conference games as a whole than any other conference. That doesn't mean the SEC doesn't have some teams that challenge themselves...thats not what we, at least i, am talking about. and you'd be hard pressed to find anyone, well informed, who disagrees with that. you're getting off track...
yeah, I give up, UGA scheduled Boise, so obviously the SEC schedules as tough as any other conference
bluegrass fan stroking the pac-10 is a sight for sore eyes.
I know you think Boise is cool because it was mentioned in the movie Top Gun but others see the shortcomings in Boise's academics. You might be able to get into the Mountain West one of these days.right, you need to have PhD's in science, so your bright little minds can go out and create big global warming hoaxes with big government grants for big government favors and $$$$, those count, that's what makes a University Prestigious, how much money it can defraud the country for in the name of science and research
c'mon, the conferences are more about football than anything.
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