He seems very remorseful for what he did...

[samikeyp]

I can vouch for Manny....at a GTG he would sit and have a beer and talk things out.

[MannyIsGod]

Sweet Jesus, do you ever give me a headache (sigh). So, do you not believe in the concept of evil, or do you just not care that it's out there? Out of curiosity.

I hate the word evil. It implies an almost supernatural quality to whatever it is used to describe. As if someone was inherently bad and never had a chance of being different.

I believe there are evil actions. And I believe many, actually, most people are capable of such actions under certain types of cir stances.

I hesitate calling a person evil without knowing what could have possibly made them that way. The outcome of a human equation is much more complex to be labeled with a word like evil, or good for that matter.

So, do I believe in evil? It really depends on how you define it.

[samikeyp]

Phil Jackson...now that's evil.

[The Ressurrected One]

I hate the word evil. It implies an almost supernatural quality to whatever it is used to describe. As if someone was inherently bad and never had a chance of being different.

I believe there are evil actions. And I believe many, actually, most people are capable of such actions under certain types of cir stances.

I hesitate calling a person evil without knowing what could have possibly made them that way. The outcome of a human equation is much more complex to be labeled with a word like evil, or good for that matter.

So, do I believe in evil? It really depends on how you define it.

What happened to this girl is evil and it was perpetrated by an evil person. There...defined.

[desflood]

Main Entry: 1evil
Pronunciation: 'E-v&l, British often and US also 'E-(")vil
Function: adjective
Inflected Form(s): evil·er or evil·ler; evil·est or evil·lest
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English yfel; akin to Old High German ubil evil
1 a : morally reprehensible : SINFUL, WICKED <an evil impulse> b : arising from actual or imputed bad character or conduct <a man of evil reputation>
2 a archaic : INFERIOR b : causing discomfort or repulsion : OFFENSIVE <an evil odor> c : DISAGREEABLE <woke late and in an evil temper>
3 a : causing harm : PERNICIOUS <the evil ins ution of slavery> b : marked by misfortune : UNLUCKY

Doesn't sound supernatural at all to me.

[MannyIsGod]

I have a question for you Yoni...

Why did the he commit the act?

[MannyIsGod]

Main Entry: 1evil
Pronunciation: 'E-v&l, British often and US also 'E-(")vil
Function: adjective
Inflected Form(s): evil·er or evil·ler; evil·est or evil·lest
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English yfel; akin to Old High German ubil evil
1 a : morally reprehensible : SINFUL, WICKED <an evil impulse> b : arising from actual or imputed bad character or conduct <a man of evil reputation>
2 a archaic : INFERIOR b : causing discomfort or repulsion : OFFENSIVE <an evil odor> c : DISAGREEABLE <woke late and in an evil temper>
3 a : causing harm : PERNICIOUS <the evil ins ution of slavery> b : marked by misfortune : UNLUCKY

Doesn't sound supernatural at all to me.

Des, did you miss the sinful and wicked portions of that? Those 2 point directly back to a Christian meaning of the word were Satan represents all that is evil, etc etc.

[The Ressurrected One]

I have a question for you Yoni...

Why did the he commit the act?

It doesn't matter.

Oh, and to clear the air...I really am not Yonivore. Yonivore was two people for about the last 3 or 4 months of his life...one of which is now dead. I'm half of Yonivore, before me, he was much more intelligent.

[MannyIsGod]

It doesn't matter.

How can you say it doesn't matter? Wouldn't knowing the reason murders are commited aid in being proactive and stoping them?

[MannyIsGod]

, would ANYONE care to anwer why he commited the murder?

[desflood]

So, I gave you an official definition of the word evil. Morally reprehensible. You don't think child killers are morally reprehensible? Let me ask you this: What is your definition of evil, if you don't like mine?

[The Ressurrected One]

, would ANYONE care to anwer why he commited the murder?

Nope.

Wouldn't knowing the reason murders are commited aid in being proactive and stoping them?

Killing murderers would stop them from murdering a lot quicker than trying to understand murderers.

[desflood]

, would ANYONE care to anwer why he commited the murder?

The guy this thread was originally about? I checked a while back. He was high on cocaine, didn't know where he was, and wanted a car to get back home. So he killed another man for his.

[The Ressurrected One]

If I ever committed such a heinous crime it would be because I'd lost my mind and was no longer myself or useful in society...and, if there were any vestige of sanity left in my body, I'd want to die after committing such an act.

[MannyIsGod]

So, I gave you an official definition of the word evil. Morally reprehensible. You don't think child killers are morally reprehensible? Let me ask you this: What is your definition of evil, if you don't like mine?

Of course I think child killers are morally reprehensible. Evil implies more and other things, otherwise we'd just use morally reprehensible all the time.

Why are you so insitent in using a word that has such a broad and sweeping meaning instead of using the actual meaning you wish to apply in this scenario?

[desflood]

Texas inmate executed for 1996 murder
By Michael Graczyk, Associated Press Writer | April 20, 2005

HUNTSVILLE, Texas -- A convicted murderer who said he first tried cocaine at the age of 10 was executed Wednesday for abducting and fatally stabbing a man during a drug-induced haze nine years ago.

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Douglas Roberts, 42, was upbeat and animated in the seconds before the lethal drugs were administered.

"I've been hanging around this popsicle stand way too long," he said. "When I die, bury me deep, lay two speakers at my feet, put some headphones on my head and rock 'n' roll me when I'm dead."

"I'll see you in heaven some day," he added.

At his trial, Roberts told his attorney to call no defense witnesses and pick a jury that favored the death penalty. His jury deliberated two hours before convicting him and the following day decided he should be put to death.

Roberts was convicted of killing Jerry Velez, 40, who was abducted in San Antonio in May 1996.

Roberts, a machinist, had just robbed a San Antonio convenience store and stole a customer's car at knifepoint. Lost in an unfamiliar place and "stoned out of my mind," Roberts said he spotted Velez walking to a row of cars parked outside an apartment complex.

The pair drove to a dirt road in a remote area about 30 miles northwest of San Antonio, where Roberts and Velez scuffled.

Roberts was armed with a Bowie knife, and an autopsy showed Velez was stabbed five times, had ribs broken, a lung punctured and head injuries. Evidence at Roberts' trial showed the victim had been run over with a car as many as three times.

Roberts drove back toward Austin where he called police from a pay phone and told a dispatcher about the slaying, then waited for authorities to pick him up.

Roberts was to have shared the death chamber Wednesday with another condemned prisoner, Milton Mathis, for a rare back-to-back execution. But Mathis won a reprieve Tuesday from the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals.

Roberts was the fifth Texas prisoner put to death this year.

[Clandestino]

, would ANYONE care to anwer why he commited the murder?

manny, you are so ing dumb sometimes.. who gives a why he did it.. he DID IT.. that is all that truly matters.. his reasons for doing it will not bring her back, nor should they spare his life... no REASON can be given to spare his pathetic life...

[desflood]

Sorry, I take that back. He already had a car. He killed the guy just for s and grins.

[Clandestino]

I hate the word evil. It implies an almost supernatural quality to whatever it is used to describe. As if someone was inherently bad and never had a chance of being different.

I believe there are evil actions. And I believe many, actually, most people are capable of such actions under certain types of cir stances.

I hesitate calling a person evil without knowing what could have possibly made them that way. The outcome of a human equation is much more complex to be labeled with a word like evil, or good for that matter.

So, do I believe in evil? It really depends on how you define it.

BILL ING CLINTON!

[desflood]

Of course I think child killers are morally reprehensible. Evil implies more and other things, otherwise we'd just use morally reprehensible all the time.

Why are you so insitent in using a word that has such a broad and sweeping meaning instead of using the actual meaning you wish to apply in this scenario?

Okay, here you go: I think killing someone because you're high and you have nothing better to do is evil.

[MannyIsGod]

The guy this thread was originally about? I checked a while back. He was high on cocaine, didn't know where he was, and wanted a car to get back home. So he killed another man for his.

Actually, I was talking more about the guy RO brought up.

But the point I was going to make in the long run was that there are real factors that have an effect on the actions of a person including things such as chemical factors (hormoes etc) and sociological history (the envirnment the person developed in) just to name a couple.

If you put a "non-evil" person through those same factors, would they perform an "evil" act down the road.

[MannyIsGod]

Ok, I said I wasn't going to go in circles today, and I meant it. I've no interest in discussing the death penalty anymore in here.

But I will comment on this:

manny, you are so ing dumb sometimes.. who gives a why he did it.. he DID IT.. that is all that truly matters.. his reasons for doing it will not bring her back,

Yes, it's ME who's dumb. If you don't think finding out what makes a person into a killer is important in order to prevent actions like this in the future, then you are even one notch further down the intelligence ladder than I thought. And as it was, I wasn't putting you on a very high peg.

[The Ressurrected One]

manny, you are so ing dumb sometimes.. who gives a why he did it.. he DID IT.. that is all that truly matters.. his reasons for doing it will not bring her back, nor should they spare his life... no REASON can be given to spare his pathetic life...

I would add, not only did he do it, he would do it again, given the chance and the only way to insure he never has that chance again, is to put him to death.

We can figure out why later, on our own schedule, he doesn't need to be part of that discussion...except posthumously, of course.

[Clandestino]

Number of physical fights I've been in at any FSP tourney (or when FSP people are around for that matter) - 0

I simply pointed out that he doesn't have the courage to show up and say those things in person, and he doesn't. That doesn't have anything to do with fighting.

I have about as much a history of fighting as you have a history of being right. In otherwords, none.

oh really? do you? from the quotes here you always trying to start physical altercations...

Damn, Manny is still talking. I've never seen someone talk mess on behalf of the other team.

Nice.

His name is Austin. He was on Useruser666's team. He and Manny had a slight "confrontation" after Manny called him lazy and a bad teammate after Manny's team had just beat his team.

Manny is a fat lil who couldnt play ball if hes meaningless life depended on it. And hes lucky I didnt beat tha out is big eared ass for talkin so much ! He shoulda just won the game, walked off the court & shut tha up! Tha only reason he talks so much is cuz hes tryin to make up for his lack of size! Kiss my ass big eared fatboy!... And urbody thats on this site cuz you suck !

Manny picking fights with somebody...NO WAY!

As for the Manny thing, every basketball tournament we've had someone on Manny's team or Manny himself always gets in some kind of altercation or huge controversy over foul calls.

[The Ressurrected One]

Ok, I said I wasn't going to go in circles today, and I meant it. I've no interest in discussing the death penalty anymore in here.

But I will comment on this:



Yes, it's ME who's dumb. If you don't think finding out what makes a person into a killer is important in order to prevent actions like this in the future, then you are even one notch further down the intelligence ladder than I thought. And as it was, I wasn't putting you on a very high peg.

You don't need to keep him alive to figure out why he did it. If his participation in that research isn't secured during the many years of incarceration while awaiting appeal, keeping him alive past his expiration date isn't going to help.