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go ahead. line up all the people here that are pelosi fans.
I love how some on here who are huge party apologists and cheerleaders. Now you talk how much you are above that and start to belittle them.
go ahead. line up all the people here that are pelosi fans.
Because after all, you can either be 100% Dem or 100% GOP, with nothing in between, and nothing else besides.
Anyone who makes distinctions among or makes a big show of disliking fellow partisans, must be a hypocrite or a liar. There's no other reasonable explanation.
He gets his ideas from his leaders... to paraphrase: "You either with us or against us"...Because after all, you can either be 100% Dem or 100% GOP, with nothing in between, and nothing else besides.
Anyone who makes distinctions among or makes a big show of disliking fellow partisans, must be a hypocrite or a liar. There's no other reasonable explanation.
That is not what I wrote or meant.Because after all, you can either be 100% Dem or 100% GOP, with nothing in between, and nothing else besides.
Anyone who makes distinctions among or makes a big show of disliking fellow partisans, must be a hypocrite or a liar. There's no other reasonable explanation.
What did you mean? I didn't see anyone pretending to be above it all, just posters sharing their opinions.
clambake and a number of other notable board libs have stated their dislike of Pelosi. Repeatedly. I have no reason to think it isn't genuine.
Board conservatives can't seem to stop griping about demented Obama cultists -- despite the fact that there really aren't that many of them on this board. I can think of maybe two, and one of them barely posts here.
That strawman is almost completely out of stuffing. You should give it a rest, SnC. Acknowledge the disillusionment of Obama's supporters. It's real. Continuing to pretend it doesn't exist -- and that everyone who voted for him is a still a moon-eyed acolyte -- is neither realistic nor politically astute IMO.
This discourse is a perfect example of hardcore, sectarian, partisan hyperbole, isn't it?
Do you really think there's no substantial difference between Nancy Pelosi and Jeff Flake?
I'm staunchly anti-partisan. This has more to do with a complete and utter distrust and outright hatred for my government in its entirety than anything else.
My United States of America is not defined by the political makeup of government, but by the mutual distrust of government by my fellow Americans.
Sadly, its obvious my fellow Americans are sheep as of my generation. This place isnt for me in another generation if everyone keeps looking to government for a solution.
DR, i look at obama as a chemotherapy. it's a harsh poison that's needed to kill the cancer.
I'm not sure what this thread is about. Sullivan stopped being a conservative a long time ago, if he ever was one. He is a man full of hate and contempt for his fellow human beings, blinded with an agenda of urban/ sexual supremacism, who has no hesitations on embarking in smear campaigns even if they involve trashing recently born babies. Some of the stuff he wrote about Hillary and Bill Clinton during the primaries was downright creepy and scary. When was the last time Sullivan defended a conservative cause? Calling everyone who doesn't agree with one's worldview "hater" and "bigot" doesn't make one a conservative (quite the contrary) and that's all that Sullivan does.
As for Johnson, that I had the chance to met personally in the past and change a few words, hasn't he always been a socialist? The guy nurtures an intense (and, from my point of view, highly disturbing) dislike for Islamism and Muslins and is a radical Zionist, but I have no idea how can this make him a conservative. He supported every big government policy from Bush, he sees a Nazi in every one who doesn't swear to be ready to die for Israel and that's pretty much it. I was always embarrassed to see American conservatism being associated with this lunatic. Btw, I find it amusing that someone who equates the pro-life position to "throwing women back into the Dark Ages, and general religious fanaticism" and scepticism about one scientific issue about which there's no consensus in the scientific community as "anti-science bad craziness" has the guts to call his opponents haters and bigots.
What dissolution?
thats how he acted when he was a staunch conservative.
That explains a lot...
...small differences? really?
I think Obama is doing the best he can in a very tough situation....and when you consider a Palin or Huckabee alternative, Obama IS a saint....
Everyone expects Obama to come in and solve problems it took Dubya and the GOP congress eight years to construct....name one GOP program that has worked as promised..
We have zero avowed Marxists in the US Congress. Can you say the same about Portugal or Spain? This is what I mean when I say there is no far left in the USA.
We also lack the equivalent of a Georg Haider or JM Le Pen in our representative bodies. This is what I mean when I say we lack a far right.
Is saying that hardcore, sectarian, partisan hyperbole? Really?
Now, I will readily agree there is a substantial difference between Jeff Flake and Nancy Pelosi. But it is the difference -- considered globally, right? -- between center left and center right.
Hardly distinctive. This describes soi disant American conservatism during Bush to a "T".
The election of Obama caused our bogus conservatives to rediscover libertarianism and limited government. When they return to power, they'll forget it again.
But they showed themselves to be SO bogus that they were exposed as nothing other than Republican Party Apologists, unwilling to control their own spending as long as their party's candidate was in the WH, and caring not a whit whether or not the policies they promulgated were consistent with what 'conservatism' actually meant before the Religious Right shanghied the Party.
For me it wasn't the the religious right. It was the liberal internationalists -- the Cold War liberals, if you will -- that shanghaid the party. Goldwater was the precocious symptom, Ronald Reagan was the Night of the Body Snatchers that turned American conservatism into an avatar of Woodrow Wilson plus liberal anti-communism, plus statist kulturkampf.
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