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The problem right now is that Tony is one dimensional and Manu is zero dimensional. Everyone blames RJ. Dice looks lost and unmotivated often. Bogans can only hit layups. Lots of blame to go around.
Spot on about this. It's baffling that the Spurs FO would trade for a player that doesn't fit into their system. They're paid big bucks to do this .
The problem right now is that Tony is one dimensional and Manu is zero dimensional. Everyone blames RJ. Dice looks lost and unmotivated often. Bogans can only hit layups. Lots of blame to go around.
He fits the system. The problem is that the players don't know how to fit INTO the system yet.
You people that expected this team to play fantastic and perfect out of the game were setting yourselves up for disappointment and where told that back in September and August.
There is a difference between "fantastic and perfect" and a record of .500 losing to every good team it faces.
RJ played pretty damn solid on D tonight.
There's a fine line in the NBA between winning and losing.... If everybody's not on the same page, you lose... and we're not getting blown out. I'm not worried.
Again, your playing teams that have played together for years together.
Boston, Denver, Utah.
Teams that have played cohesively together for YEARS.
You expected them to match THEM THAT quick?
You don't know about ball if you did.
If this team was getting RUN OFF the court then I'd be worried.
But they aren't.
These last three losses were lost in all different matters BUT, theres one thing that has been good was the 4th quarter defenses have stepped up and made plays.
The Boston game they did, Denver they forced tough bad shots, and tonight they forced tough shots and got key stops and blocks (Jefferson's on Okur).
The team isn't gonna start being cohesive until middle january, but the defense is coming along.
Are those the only teams they have lost to? I guess world beaters like OKC and Chicago should be written off to other teams having an experience edge on the Spurs. Since SA has not been together for "YEARS", should this experimental season be a write off?
Again, your playing teams that have played together for years together.
Boston, Denver, Utah.
Teams that have played cohesively together for YEARS.
You expected them to match THEM THAT quick?
You don't know about ball if you did.
Completely agree...... Unless we look like this in March, it's all good.
You forgot OKC. The most experienced team in the NBA
Again, your playing teams that have played together for years together.
Boston, Denver, Utah.
Teams that have played cohesively together for YEARS.
You expected them to match THEM THAT quick?
You don't know about ball if you did.
Yeah break up the team over that loss too.
John Lucas baby!
Spurs beat the more athletic teams like OKC and Chicago by being a better TEAM. Playing together, playing smart.... Right now we are not a good TEAM.Are those the only teams they have lost to? I guess world beaters like OKC and Chicago should be written off to other teams having an experience edge on the Spurs. Since SA has not been together for "YEARS", should this experimental season be a write off?
We will be.
and btw, OKC is not a joke anymore.
RICHARD JEFFERSON.....There's no more excuses you can give this guy.
He contributes NOTHING to winning a ball game.
I've been one of the biggest bonner bashers here and he changed my mind tonight. He was all heart!
I only pray RJ does the same.
RJ is a complete waste of meat
RJ's got heart, he's just got no game.
Your optimism is commendable and you are right, OKC is not a joke, which is why they are higher in the West standings than SA...and I would not be surprised if they stayed that way.
EricBTPark's point though was all these losses can be justified by this team not being together for "years" (which apparently didn't matter to Boston in 2008)...so I guess it stands to reason that this team won't be able to contend with above mediocre teams until they have a year together under their belt.
Are you kidding? Every team in the league can break down a game and come up with a reason for losing (even new jersey). The only difference is the good teams make the necessary corrections to fix the problems. The spurs make the same damn mistakes game after game. They just don't get it.
Not that the two of you don't occasionally have a good point, but you have both been annoying as lately. Please take some time off from posting, and/or change the way you do things.
TPark, making a sneering comment that does not debate that actual issues being discussed does not make your arguments better (even if what you say is correct.
murpjf88, just because someone makes a negative comment about the team doesn't mean you have to suck that poster's . We get it, you don't think the Spurs are good this year, and that's okay, just try and come up with something interesting to say occasionally.
Half the players out there don't look completely motivated. I don't hink RJ should be singled out. It also doesn't help that Pop allows TP to call plays on his own, plays that are designed mostly for him or TD. Spurs basketball is perfect for RJ. He's made some excellent cuts, but no one finds him on the cuts. When he posts up, spacing on the floor isn't always great. On fastbreaks, there have been many times where RJ could have gotten the ball but TP refuses to pass the ball 99% of the time.
If he's still playing like this in Late February/Early march, I'll be worried. Right now, give them some time. He's playing in a completely different kind of system right now than he's ever played in.
Again, what the do you want from an offensive player only getting to shoot 6 shots a game? He scored on half of those attempts. He played some defense enough to go by so he was not the reason we lost tonight.
How typical that you people would point the finger at the pole smoker. He's been pretty much the player he's been for the past few years, only with fewer touches. No, he's not good enough for what the Spurs need him to be given all the other breakdowns on the team, but that's beside the point.
Here's your problem.
1) Tim Duncan is older and in decline. This shows up most on defense, where he can't hold down the paint by himself like he used to.
2) The other big men who get minutes are either undersized, unathletic, or inexperienced at NBA defense. Therefore, the Spurs' interior defense is mediocre at best.
3) Tony Parker is not keeping up his torrid pace of the past couple of years. He is merely very good as opposed to All-NBA.
4) Manu Ginobili is finished. Done. Over. Goodbye. You've now seen what's left of him -- give him several months off and he can last about three weeks before his body starts to break down.
5) The guy who made the Spurs' perimeter defense what it was is now retired and wearing bowties on the ESPN set. And it turns out that Richard Jefferson simply can't fill his shoes.
Of those, the only one with a reasonable chance of improving is number three -- Tony Parker could turn it up a notch over the last three-fourths of the season. However, last season proved what Tony Parker playing that well can get you, namely, a first-round exit.
So the Spurs now are what they are -- an occasionally entertaining team with some firepower, which however lacks either the consistency or more importantly the defense to keep up with the top teams. They look exactly like other examples of once-great teams at the end of their runs, where many of the same players are still there and still seem effective, but they no longer have that little extra something that used to put them over the top.
But go ahead and keep pretending that this is about gelling rather than graying, about needing more time rather than needing to turn back time.
The Spurs are over. Good night.
S Jax - see club shooting in 2007
Carter - gave up on the Raptors......yeah those guys are what the Spurs need
These were the games they should of been losing last year...remember all those last second shots they made to win the games? The law of averages is just catching up with them in close games now. They won so many games last year on last second shots.
+1
His other excuse is if the coach of the Spurs was not 'Popped it would have to be limited to some very small group of of suck ass coachs.EricBTPark's point though was all these losses can be justified by this team not being together for "years" (which apparently didn't matter to Boston in 2008)...so I guess it stands to reason that this team won't be able to contend with above mediocre teams until they have a year together under their belt.
And who in about summer 2007 got appointed to Director of All Things Basketball? (aka Lord Poppy )The organization is supposed to do their homework before they acquire somebody..you would think that they would have looked into this..it doesn't appear that they have, since this was the 1st game all season where they actually got him a few plays, and he actually produced..hopefully it continues..
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