I'm all for "making happen" but what exactly has Roger done this year? He's averaging a career low in 3PT % and he doesn't rebound. He's still not much of a defender. His assist rate is up slightly but so is his turnover rate.
+1..
I forgot who I was arguing with the other day, but he was criticizing me for saying Hill isn't strong enough to guard bigger guys on the wing..
I love Hill, but he isn't strong enough to guard the bigger perimeter players in the NBA, and there are a lot of those guys..if you put him against a guy like Ray Allen, I don't mind it at all..but when you have guys like Deron, Joe Johnson, Vince Carter and a lot of others, it's going to be tough when they have a huge size advantage over you..
What does strength have to do with not being able to stay in front of your man.
Hill got lost on Williams change of direction and didn't recover quick enough...
Well, we need to start to figure out how it will work defensively for us, because we're not getting any of these games back. We used to be a team that knew how to make stops whe it mattered, and nowadays we're on the receiving end of that.
Spurs are his 5th team in 7 years..that says it all..HE SUCKS...and POP continues to START HIM. No wonder the Spurs cant win..among the other 100 reasons...Jefferson..biggest free agent flop ever...watever...Spurs still won 4 les..years ago...
I wasn't talking about that play, I was speaking in general..
I wouldn't mind seeing Hill get to start, I just don't think it'll work, and I think it will limit him as a player by constantly taking the abuse of guarding much bigger players all the time..
When he's aggressive, he's a useful asset to have on both ends off the bench, so I don't want to mess with that..
The starting unit no longer has a outside threat, although, in this game, Jefferson's post up game did create some things for Tim and Tony but the long ball came into play when the second unit came in and the offense really took off. Bogans really shouldn't be out there if he isn't going to be an outside threat. I would prefer Mason, or give Hairston a shot, I like the idea of Hill starting alongside Tony but he is playing so well with the second unit, the most consistent part of this team, that I would rather they not mess with it.
I don't want Hairston to start, he doesn't help with the outside shooting either..I want him coming off the bench with Hill and Blair..
We don't have a solution right now..we need a guy that can defend and make the 3 like Bruce used to do..a trade is pretty much the only possibility for this to happen..
I think starting Hill creates more problems. Mason starting could stretch the floor better for Tony. Hairston could replace mason on the second unit. That would put more pressure on Manu to be a distributor, but that's probably where his game should go for the moment.
We're just in a tough situation right now..
Parker is a huge defensive liability, so the SG pretty much has to be a good defender..
This... which also means we can't afford Bogans not to play well...
What is "well"? Hitting shots and playing good D? Just playing Good D? Getting to the rim on occasion?
I still have trouble seeing how 86 yr old Bowen couldn't do the same Bogans does for one more season.
It is true that last year's Bowen was much better than Bogans has been so far, on both sides..it's kind of alarming..that's done with now though..
Bogans shut Deron Williams down HARD in the first half.
but but but he's not averaging 20 a game!!
Stop deluding yourself and this board.
Bogans does have enough talent to belong in the court.
Bogans only played 4 minutes in the 1st half..he played only 1 minute in the 1st..he didn't shut him down at all..
He missed 2 out of 3 shots and had 2 turnovers in just 8 minutes..when his offense is that bad, which has been the case for 6 games now, then he has to be playing GREAT defense and making an impact for him to deserve the starting spot..he hasn't been doing that..
Face it, guys - because of Pop's style of coaching, Bogans will have to provide offense to earn minutes. Unless Bogans can take and make shots, potentially big shots, he isn't going to fit our stopper role at all. Bowen's 3pt shooting was a vastly underrated ability.
Just playing good D. If he's not playing good D then we need to go somewhere else. But don't pretend that the guy has never played good D for us this season.
I'm not comparing him with Bruce, but Bruce also didn't have outstanding games all the time. I seem to recall plenty of threads in these very forums asking to sink Bowen deep in the bench...
Spurs F.O. should man up to their mistake.... resign Bowen.
Unless I missed something, he only played about 4 1/2 minutes in the first half, including getting pulled about a minute and a half into the game.
I didn't say he hasn't played good D. I agree he has played lockdown D during stretches, but I also think Bowen could have done the same things, and potentially better. On offense, I bet Bowen could still hit some corner 3's if we brought him out of bed right now.
I'm not asking for Bowen to be the Bowen of old. I'm asking if he can play 2 fewer less minutes on average than last season and do Bogans' job + hit some shots. I know that's "over now." Sadly.I'm not comparing him with Bruce, but Bruce also didn't have outstanding games all the time. I seem to recall plenty of threads in these very forums asking to sink Bowen deep in the bench...
Exactly. We need to move on. Bogans will play sporadically if he's helping the team more than hurting the team. Same thing SHOULD happen with everybody else. DRob is gone. Bowen is gone. We need to move on with what we have.
From what I saw Williams wasnt in attack mode at that time yet. He was doing the PG thing and getting everyone else touches first.
Not taking it away from Bogans game but to use this for his case I don't believe is accurate.
I like this option and I also would like to have a real PG off the bench. I don't know who though
Start Bogans of Mason for me is the same, both are playing terrible
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