McDonald: Complete game still eluding Spurs

[dbestpro]

You're ridiculous.

You claimed that the Spurs lost the lead by playing small in the third quarter. They didn't. I provided the exact timeframes when they played small and when they played big. You would refute it if you could.

The data is in the game logs.

For the first 10:54 of the third quarter at least two of Duncan, Dice, and Blair were on the court at all times. Big.

For the last 1:06 of the third quarter, and for the entire fourth quarter, only one of those players was in the game at any point. Small.

The lead was lost playing big and the deficit was overcome playing small.

These are facts, not opinions.

Your claims about 30% smallball and losing the lead by going small in the third quarters are bad guesses, not facts. What evidence do you have to support either of those two baseless claims? I'll wait while you try, once again, to misdirect attention away from your utter failure to substantiate either of those supposed facts.

Perhaps you just don't understand the difference between a fact and an opinion. I'll demonstrate for you.

1. Smallball is bad: OPINION

2. Spurs played small in the third quarter of the Indiana game: ASSERTION of fact which can be proven or disproven by reference to the facts. In this case, the facts prove that the statement was false for 10:54 of a 12 minute quarter.

Okay I got your point. You statistically love small balls.

[Mel_13]

Okay I got your point. You statistically love small balls.

Not at all.

I do, however, like facts.

You have made two assertions in this thread which are factually untrue. If you could prove otherwise, you would have done so already. You can't support either of your assertions with reference to readily available sources, so you deflect and change the subject.

Many on this board have made compelling cases against playing small without resorting to complete fabrications. You are not one of them.

[dbestpro]

You sure are whinny. I still have not seen you provide one verifiable fact. You throw numbers around without any proof and want someone else to waist their time looking up the real facts. show me the link to a recognized source that agrees with you data and I will let it go. Other wise your facts remain as made up as your opinion.

[Mel_13]

You sure are whinny. I still have not seen you provide one verifiable fact. You throw numbers around without any proof and want someone else to waist their time looking up the real facts. show me the link to a recognized source that agrees with you data and I will let it go. Other wise your facts remain as made up as your opinion.

You need links to game logs?

Here's one:

http://www.nba.com/games/20091219/IN...#nbaGIboxscore

Click on the play-by-play tab and read the entries for the third quarter. You know, the "infamous" one. You'll see that the Spurs played big for the first 10:54 until Jefferson came in for Dice. They stayed small for the rest of the game. The lead disappeared while they were playing big, the deficit disappeared while they playing small. That is not my opinion, it's a verifiable fact.

As for your 30% assertion, you clearly made that up or you would have provided some evidence to the contrary by now. All the data needed to calculate the percentage of small ball this year is available on this page:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2010.html

The real number is much less than 30%.

[dbestpro]

One could argue that 6-6 Blair on the court at any time consi utes small ball particularly with 6-9 McDyess. You get a break even on the first link.

Second link proves nothing in regards to small ball and the times it is used. You can't just try and divide minutes and get a substantial answer. Second link s a failure.

That gives you a score of 25%.

[Mel_13]

One could argue that 6-6 Blair on the court at any time consi utes small ball particularly with 6-9 McDyess. You get a break even on the first link.

Second link proves nothing in regards to small ball and the times it is used. You can't just try and divide minutes and get a substantial answer. Second link s a failure.

That gives you a score of 25%.

So Blair doesn't count as a big? OK, don't think you'll get much support for that POV.

The second link does indeed provide all the necessary data to compute the number of minutes of small ball. The fact that you don't know how to use the data is not surprising. Care to share what your basis for your 30% number was? Didn't think so.

[Blackjack]

It's not quite Chump and K_B_P, but it sure is entertaining.

[dbestpro]

Yeah, I've been pulling his chain for a while now and he just keeps flushing.

[Mel_13]

Yeah, I've been pulling his chain for a while now and he just keeps flushing.