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    Runrunrunawaybaby ashbeeigh's Avatar
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    You obviously haven't been paying attention because I've said this about 1000 times already, but I ing hate Al Gore. He has done more to set back the environment movement than anyone by allowing ignorant people like you to conflate politics with science.

    AL GORE.

    PS It's hilarious to me the at udes of you people who think people that care about the environment are crackpots. I'm not some econazi who wants to ruin your life - I value modern civilized life as much as anyone, and I want to see it continue, but sustainably. We all have to realise that running an economic system based on infinite material throughput on a world of finite resources is ABSURD, and it's all going to come crashing down around our ears unless we all start to transition to sustainable economies. Is that so hard to understand?
    Sorry, I don't keep up with your posts or opinions that often. I had no idea you cared that much about him.

    I understand you know a lot about the subject. And if a psychological/counseling/social service/advocacy topic came up I would post passionately about it and to defend it to the death. So I understand where you are coming from.

    I believe in a sustainable systems and saving the world and all that jazz as much as the next guy, however, it's this kind of stupid crap (literally) that pisses me off. Spending this type of money (God only knows how much money this study actually cost the university)to, in the end, say don't walk my dog at night because it's the animal equivalent of a vampire, is ridiculous. I didn't need some Phd to tell me it likes to eat at night. Why not drive that money to help starving children, babies, and even animals (or would that be counter productive to saving the world?) out there?

    It drives me nuts to think that there are people sending money to organizations that are going to tell me to stop feeding my animal stuff that makes them healthy because it saves the environment. Let's focus on bigger issues (issues I don't know..but I know there are some...carbon emissions? car stuff? Recycling? I don't know)

    While I understand most likely somebody pointed this money right to the environment sciences department for this study....and there's no reason to argue about it (because I won't) that's just my opinion. I just think it's a bizarre waste of educational brain power, time and resources.

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    JekkaIsGoddess Jekka's Avatar
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    Ravage nature until we are extinct. Life will not end. It wont be the first time a species decimated the population of another in the history of the Earth. We will hit a tipping point eventually and everything will correct itself through massive famine and disease.
    When was the last time you went to a national park? I don't understand how anyone who has seen any of the amazingly beautiful things in this world could just not care. This study was just pointing out how many of the things that we have put a strain on the environment. The answers to conservation aren't all totally painful - Yellowstone National Park recycles 85% of its waste by promoting awareness and requiring that vendors operating inside the park compost all of the leftover food, etc.

    Keep your pet, but making some other changes could really benefit the world.

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    If you really wanted to be more eco-friendly in eating red meat, instead of consuming crazy amounts of cow, you'd eat more bison. They are better for the natural grasses in the American west (cows, which evolved in Europe, destroy the natural grasses here because they rip from the roots instead of tearing off the tops), and they are healthier for you anyways. And they're damn tasty.
    I like bison as much as the next guy darlin, however my wallet has a hard time digesting it . It's not so much that I disagree with you, as it is the statement they are an inefficient food source, and the end result of that conclusion.

    So do we kill off all the cows? Limit their numbers?

    If we don't kill them off, then we start having a lot of the problems India has. India almost totally subscribes to the theory cattle are an inefficient food source, and they totally buy into the philosophy that argriculture is a better use of land.

    So why then do they have so many problems?

    In fact, India has more malnourished people than any other country in the world:
    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/i...ow/4197047.cms


    They eat less beef than just about anyone else too.

    If you are saying the stockyards and slaughterhouses are the problem, well I don't support those and never have really other than when I eat fast food. I don't support treating those animals with cruelty either. Although those slaughterhosues are probably a very efficient means of beef production.

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    Although those slaughterhosues are probably a very efficient means of beef production.
    Efficent means of beef production, yes.

    Humane or cleanly, not even close.

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    Man was not "given" anything.
    By "given", I mean naturally evolved blah blah blah and all that bull .

    I don't think lightning bolts zapped into us knowledge from God either brah.

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