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    Spending. Centralization. Deficits. And ting on the Cons ution. You name it, Clinton did less of it than GWB. How exactly do you measure conservatism other than the labels you are spoon fed? Take off your bib and grow up.

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    NCLB was a doozy. One-size fits all federalization of educational standards, is conservative how?
    It was a good indicator of the failure of public schools and the need for a voucher system. I guess for the same people who thought desegregation was against conservtism, then nothing bush did would be considered conservative.

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    Well that's an open ended prescription for the state. Segregation is not a concern in the 21st century. God. Damn.

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    Spending. Centralization. Deficits. And ting on the Cons ution. You name it, Clinton did less of it than GWB. How exactly do you measure conservatism other than the labels you are spoon fed? Take off your bib and grow up.
    You are the one regurgitating Salon and NYT talking points. When I said what did Clinton do. I meant what did he push through or come up with. Not what did he sign or avoid because the popular winds of the Conservative Contract with America made him do things to keep his numbers up. If you are saying that he did not dictate his policy based on polling data then you are one with a bib. Though you aren't a kid, just a re unable to think for himself.

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    Though LOL @ pulling the race card when you have no argument. I thought only "liberals" did that.

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    I think maybe you missed the comparative, SnC. MB said Clinton was more conservative than Bush, not that Clinton was conservative per se.

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    Well that's an open ended prescription for the state. Segregation is not a concern in the 21st century. God. Damn.
    Coward. Still doing the negative bit huh. You act like a politician.

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    You are the one regurgitating Salon and NYT talking points. When I said what did Clinton do. I meant what did he push through or come up with. Not what did he sign or avoid because the popular winds of the Conservative Contract with America made him do things to keep his numbers up. If you are saying that he did not dictate his policy based on polling data then you are one with a bib. Though you aren't a kid, just a re unable to think for himself.
    Yeah, the editorial boards of the Times and Salon are in favor of eliminating the DOE.

    Virtually everything Bush did domestically was poll driven.

    You aren't a conservative. Maybe a Scoop Jackson Democrat. Perhaps.

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    When I said what did Clinton do.
    Welfare reform and reducing deficits. How does Bush stand on those two?

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    I think maybe you missed the comparative, SnC. MB said Clinton was more conservative than Bush, not that Clinton was conservative per se.
    Please WH, no more "you misunderstood" posts towards me. I got it. The problem is it is a blanket comparison. I am not saying state why he is more conservative than bush, I'm making it easy. Just why is he conservative at all. Do you disagree that the record of Slick Willy is more to the majority of Conservatives in Congress than his own agenda?

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    Yeah, the editorial boards of the Times and Salon are in favor of eliminating the DOE.

    Virtually everything Bush did domestically was poll driven.

    You aren't a conservative. Maybe a Scoop Jackson Democrat. Perhaps.
    Oh the guy who decides who is a conservative. I have heard about you. Never knew I would find u in ST. I don't need a label or elitist blogger to tell me how to think. I know what I believe is best for my city, state, and country. I also know what our political landscape is without feeling the need to parrot the same anarchist nonsense that a punk band would do. Keep up with the whole "they all suck, I'm enlightened to their shenanigans and will be able to lead you, the neanderthal, to the promise land" schtick.

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    It was a good indicator of the failure of public schools and the need for a voucher system.
    Therefore we need more ty, expensive, top-down federal solutions? I don't see how that follows.

    I guess for the same people who thought desegregation was against conservtism, then nothing bush did would be considered conservative.
    For whom? Were you talking to me?

    Desegregation was not considered conservative then. Must it be now?

    Was desegregation, alone among federal initiatives, magically immune to the law of unintended consequences?

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    Keep up with the whole "they all suck, I'm enlightened to their shenanigans and will be able to lead you, the neanderthal, to the promise land" schtick.
    I don't think Marcus offered to lead you anywhere, SnC. If anything, I got the opposite impresssion.

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    Welfare reform and reducing deficits. How does Bush stand on those two?
    You are giving Clinton credit for welfare reform? After all the "vetoes, flip-flopping, and obstructionism"?
    here's a good article about that.
    http://rpc.senate.gov/releases/1999/wf080599.htm

    Greenspan blamed the loss of the surplus on the recession that started under Clinton. Though I consider Conservative cutting taxes all the way down the board then raising taxes on the upper and middle class to pay for more social programs directed only towards the lower class. That and trying to nationalize healthcare.

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    Therefore we need more ty, expensive, top-down federal solutions? I don't see how that follows.

    For whom? Were you talking to me?

    Desegregation was not considered conservative then. Must it be now?

    Was desegregation, alone among federal initiatives, magically immune to the law of unintended consequences?
    That was not a shot at you or a race bait. Just a comment toward the movement of the conservatives.

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    Just why is he conservative at all.
    You sidestepped the comparison. I get that.

    Do you disagree that the record of Slick Willy is more to the majority of Conservatives in Congress than his own agenda?
    More [conservative than?]the majority of conservatives in Congress? Much hangs on who counts as a "real" conservative. If the present GOP minority resembles the erstwhile majority, what MB said is not beyond plausibility IMO; it is even likely.

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    WH, have you had a chance to read Raimondo's Reclaiming the American Right?

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    It is far too late for anything to change. The people will take their bread and circuses. The question is, how long until we suffer the same fate as the Romans?

    All democracy is destined to become authoritarian. I'm just along for the ride at this point.

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    WH, have you had a chance to read Raimondo's Reclaiming the American Right?
    No. Of late, I've not been reading much at all.

    The nuts I can guess from the linked reviews. If you had to review it on a bar napkin, Marcus, what would you say?

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    No. Of late, I've not been reading much at all.

    The nuts I can guess from the linked reviews. If you had to review it on a bar napkin, Marcus, what would you say?
    He'd write his number and ask you over to talk more in "depth" and for a nice "massage".

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    More gay baiting. What a surprise. What took you so long?

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    I guess that's what happens when gtown stops blowing himself for long enough to type something out.

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    Hey, just because you can do it.. doesn't mean everyone can.

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    More gay baiting. What a surprise. What took you so long?
    I was just trying to bail you out by contributing slightly less than you.

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    Funny, you do it the same time way every time. You suggest I'm gay, or a woman.

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