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    But no, slavery has no lingering effects on society. None.
    Hold up man...that's a garbage excuse. Not a single black person in America has been a slave.

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    Were those Mexicans ever slaves? Did they have to wait 100 years to go to public schools with white kids?
    many still don't get to go to school... there isn't much time when they are working with their parents picking strawberries and other vegetables...

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    many still don't get to go to school... there isn't much time when they are working with their parents picking strawberries and other vegetables...
    I think everyone is silly on this topic.

    A) Slavery was abolished and there are no living ex-slaves today. In fact, there are very few slave descendents -- most of whom, I would argue -- are not the ones screaming for reparations. A very small percentage of "African-Americans" are either African or the descendents of slaves. Most are the children of legal immigrants from equatorial countries -- including some in Africa.

    B) Migrant workers (most of whom are illegal aliens) are no different that early American Settlers who had to work their educations in around chores and other duties on the farms and ranches. I would argue that migrant workers come here simply because, even though the labor is hard, the conditions in America are still exponentially better than would be experienced in their own country. And, just because they cross the border to work, doesn't mean we're responsible for pulling them from the fields and forcing them into schools -- mostly at the objection of their parents. Sorry...I don't buy it.

    C) Endentured Servitude, something my Irish ancestors endured, was every bit as oppressive and punitive as slavery and, in many respects, afforded the servant fewer rights than did slavery. At least, with slavery (as offensive as the prospect of owning another human being is) was somewhat safer in that a "prized" slave [read hard working and productive] was cherished and well-taken care of. There are many stories of slaves befriending their owners after emancipation and staying on as paid help. Endentured servitude on the other hand, generally ended up with the servant wasted and thrown out on the street when the person to whom he was endentured was done with him. Many were murdered (just like slaves) without any justice (just like slaves). Many worked for years without pay (just like slaves) but, unlike slaves, more than not, when their endentured servitude was done -- there was nowhere to turn...America didn't even attempt the type of reconstruction and support -- as ineffectual as it was in many cases -- that was afforded ex-slaves.

    Sorry, I think black America needs to buck it up and quit whining...every other "victim" group that has been chewed up and spit out by America over the centuries has, for the most part, moved on and lived life without demanding some kind of reparation for past harm.

    It's tiresome...

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    I think everyone is silly on this topic.

    A) Slavery was abolished and there are no living ex-slaves today. In fact, there are very few slave descendents -- most of whom, I would argue -- are not the ones screaming for reparations. A very small percentage of "African-Americans" are either African or the descendents of slaves. Most are the children of legal immigrants from equatorial countries -- including some in Africa.

    B) Migrant workers (most of whom are illegal aliens) are no different that early American Settlers who had to work their educations in around chores and other duties on the farms and ranches. I would argue that migrant workers come here simply because, even though the labor is hard, the conditions in America are still exponentially better than would be experienced in their own country. And, just because they cross the border to work, doesn't mean we're responsible for pulling them from the fields and forcing them into schools -- mostly at the objection of their parents. Sorry...I don't buy it.

    C) Endentured Servitude, something my Irish ancestors endured, was every bit as oppressive and punitive as slavery and, in many respects, afforded the servant fewer rights than did slavery. At least, with slavery (as offensive as the prospect of owning another human being is) was somewhat safer in that a "prized" slave [read hard working and productive] was cherished and well-taken care of. There are many stories of slaves befriending their owners after emancipation and staying on as paid help. Endentured servitude on the other hand, generally ended up with the servant wasted and thrown out on the street when the person to whom he was endentured was done with him. Many were murdered (just like slaves) without any justice (just like slaves). Many worked for years without pay (just like slaves) but, unlike slaves, more than not, when their endentured servitude was done -- there was nowhere to turn...America didn't even attempt the type of reconstruction and support -- as ineffectual as it was in many cases -- that was afforded ex-slaves.

    Sorry, I think black America needs to buck it up and quit whining...every other "victim" group that has been chewed up and spit out by America over the centuries has, for the most part, moved on and lived life without demanding some kind of reparation for past harm.

    It's tiresome...
    my comment was showing that even though the migrants have all the hardships even today, they still are not being jailed left and right like black men aged 20-30...

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    Proper upbringing and strong self-esteem go along way in my book.

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    it's that damn rap and hip hop music!

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    Proper upbringing and strong self-esteem go along way in my book.
    Actually, that is all that is needed...provided self-esteem follows achievement and not the politically correct other way around.

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    it's that damn rap and hip hop music!
    No, it's that damn, "don't be like whitey and education isn't cool," crap.

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    We reap what we sow. A seed is useless unless given the proper care it needs to grow. Anybody can plant a seed but not everyone can make it grow.

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    We reap what we sow. A seed is useless unless given the proper care it needs to grow. Anybody can plant a seed but not everyone can make it grow.
    Kum-bah-ya, Joe...Kum-bah-ya. Pass the bong.

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    Kum-bah-ya, Joe...Kum-bah-ya. Pass the bong.
    Right on.


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    after wwII, blacks and all minorities in this country were FORCED to live in the city,
    during the time of Levittowns and gross suburbanization of america (before wwII americans could not get a homeloans/mortgages) when the soldiers came back...blah blah baby boom etc... minorites could not get a loan, it was the regulations of these communities and perfectly legal to deny them housing, the housing they recieved were basically projects, large tennant apartment buildings in the inner-city, their land value declined rapidly and thus their income as well, and yeah a load turned to crime and the cycle continues,the housing regulations stopped in the 60's and 70's thats 35 years ago, 2 generations ago, 35 years from the government secretly sterilizing thousands and thousands of young minority mothers labled "feeble minded" and having "poor gentetics" as a society we're 35 years removed from that bull , and 60 years away from rounding up German AMERICANS, Japanese AMERICANS and Italian AMERICAS for no reason and forcing them into prison camps in CRYSTAL CITY TEXAS guys , right down the road, so quit the crap and get off the high horse of saying that slaverys over and its up to them to succed like -you wanna say "good old white americans"

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    after wwII, blacks and all minorities in this country were FORCED to live in the city,
    during the time of Levittowns and gross suburbanization of america (before wwII americans could not get a homeloans/mortgages) when the soldiers came back...blah blah baby boom etc... minorites could not get a loan, it was the regulations of these communities and perfectly legal to deny them housing, the housing they recieved were basically projects, large tennant apartment buildings in the inner-city, their land value declined rapidly and thus their income as well, and yeah a load turned to crime and the cycle continues,the housing regulations stopped in the 60's and 70's thats 35 years ago, 2 generations, as a society we're 35 years removed from that bull , and 60 years away from rounding up German AMERICANS, Japanese AMERICANS and Italian AMERICAS for no reason and forcing them into prison camps in CRYSTAL CITY TEXAS guys , right down the road, so quit the crap and get off the high horse of saying that slaverys over and its up to them to suceed like -you wanna say "good old white americans"
    I concur. Upon doing some history research into the history of US housing I found many cases of discrimination amongst minorities and how blacks did not qualify for government loans. It really is a very under reported part of our history.

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    mexicans have dealt with the same , but you don't see as many in jail.. what is reason?

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    I've made this arguement a million times, and what I wish people would understand when they decide to make the rebuttal that everyone has choices is that those two things are not mutally exclusive.

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    tejanos (such as myself) have been to jail (such as myself)

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    but 13% of mexicans in their late 20s are not currently in jail or prison...

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    mexicans have dealt with the same , but you don't see as many in jail.. what is reason?
    Better luck? Better odds? Or could the reason be that more blacks have been busted and that is the reason.
    Why psycho-analyze everything? It is what it is.

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    well i'm not sure
    you might check the Mexican Prison system stats for that

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    well i'm not sure
    you might check the Mexican Prison system stats for that
    that has nothing to do with what we are talking about now... we are talking blacks in american prisons.. if you want worldwide, i guess you could look up african prison statistics

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    well you didnt say 13% of africans are in jail or prison

    im not Mexican

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    well you didnt say 13% of africans are in jail or prison

    im not Mexican
    you understood... or maybe you didn't... you are probably on your way to jail or prison in the near future...

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    verdad piaso
    los hermanos de pistolero

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    I concur. Upon doing some history research into the history of US housing I found many cases of discrimination amongst minorities and how blacks did not qualify for government loans. It really is a very under reported part of our history.
    There was discrimination against the Irish in the 1800's. There's currently discrimination against Koreans. Some cultures find a solution -- other whine and demand.

    Boo-friggin'-hoo.

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    And others continue the discrimination.

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