says who?
This guy is definitely a pretender. Of course the Big 10 would want UT. Dur. Any conference would.
He says "UT is a lot more open to it [leaving for the Big 10] than what the public seems to realize" but he himself puts the mutual interest level at a 3.
Actually, just to clarify, SEC teams do play everyone in their division each year.
For example this year UGA played Tenn, SC, FL, Ken, Vandy (all of the east) and LSU, Ark and Auburn from the west (besides Auburn, the west teams are on rotation). UGA also plays Georgia Tech every year from the ACC. That still leaves 3 other games to be played OOC. This season they scheduled OK St, Az St and Tenn Tech.
Just an example but it would be possible for Ok to play Neb every year.
Then why did they ever inquire about joining in the 90s?
Very true. I think The Big 10 is a better fit time zone wise and all members of the Big 10 are AAU members, which UT is.
a lot of people. I believe the faculty would be behind the move. Texas could make 10 to 20 million more a year (enough to make up the losses for travel on non revenue sports). That and Texas has never really liked being in the Big 12.
That is because people like you and many other big 12 fans forget that Texas once tried to join the Big 10 and refuse to think that Texas would leave a conference that was thrown together at the last minute for potentially greener pastures.He says "UT is a lot more open to it [leaving for the Big 10] than what the public seems to realize" but he himself puts the mutual interest level at a 3.
Yup. They also tried to join the Pac 10 but the Texas government stepped in and said they must take A&M with them and Stanford didn't want any part of A&M because of the probation period they were in during that time. I don't believe they would be against adding A&M now since A&M cleaned up it's act supposedly. The Big 12 is something that both Texas fans AND Texas A&M fans did not want and still does not want.
Well I didn't post the link for that. I just posted it to add to the conversation and since it had everything to do with the topic. But there are similar articles discussing Texas and Big 10 throughout the internet.He raises some good points, but I stand by my statement. Forgive me if I don't hold Frank the Tank and his own formula as the end-all-be-all authority on the expansion.
right. by subtracting another OOC game.....or by simply bumping up to 14 games.
because the old SWC in the 90s was full of suck and they were asking everyone.
be specific.a lot of people.
who specifically has said that Texas has never really like being in the Big 12?I believe the faculty would be behind the move. Texas could make 10 to 20 million more a year (enough to make up the losses for travel on non revenue sports). That and Texas has never really liked being in the Big 12.
No, it's also possible by locking in one of your inter-division games and then rotating 2 other teams every 3 years instead of 3 teams every 2 years.
ah yeah ok, there you go. that makes sense.
Strange that the Big XII couldn't figure that out with OU/Nebraska.
Perhaps but why did they seek out the Big 10, which doesn't really logisitcially fit if they didn't want to be in that conference. Becasue the Big 10at the time was probably the top 1 or 2 confereces in the country. Also the Big 10 is probably the best academic conference of the BCS confereces and most other confernces besides the Ivy League.
You are asking me to be specific but I don't see where Texas asked to join any other conference besides the PAc-10 and the Big 10. What other conferences did Texas ask to join???
It is just common knowledge. Ask some of your Texas Longhorn fans and they will probably tell you that Texas does not like being in the Big 12 Conference. Besides no one from Texas would offically come out and say they did not like the Big 12 Conference. So if you are asking me to find a quote from person X in regards to Texas about not wanting to remain in the Big 12 I can't do that, but it that doesn't mean I am full of BS.
Maybe a UT fan would have a better grasp on it as I just started to follow this when the Big 10 announced expansion. Any UT fan have a quote for Blake about UT not being happy in the Big 12??
because the Big XII wasn't around yet
The Big 8?You are asking me to be specific but I don't see where Texas asked to join any other conference besides the PAc-10 and the Big 10. What other conferences did Texas ask to join???
I'm asking you to be specific as to who says Texas still might be interested in joining the Big 10.
I don't know any Texas Longhorn fan that does not like Texas being in the Big 12 Conference compared to the Big 10 or Pac 10.It is just common knowledge. Ask some of your Texas Longhorn fans and they will probably tell you that Texas does not like being in the Big 12 Conference.
Common knowledge is that the Big XII has been a superior football conference for a while now over the B10 and P10.
so you are just guessing.Besides no one from Texas would offically come out and say they did not like the Big 12 Conference.
you are full of guessing and prone to fall for whatever some blogger named frank the tank tells you.So if you are asking me to find a quote from person X in regards to Texas about not wanting to remain in the Big 12 I can't do that, but it that doesn't mean I am full of BS.
I'd love to see it as it would surprise me.Maybe a UT fan would have a better grasp on it as I just started to follow this when the Big 10 announced expansion. Any UT fan have a quote for Blake about UT not being happy in the Big 12??
I am curious though as to what longhorn fans around here would think about a move to the Big 10........let's find out.
No kidding
Do you know why the Big 8 turned them down before the formation of the Big 12.
Just what I have heard on some credible blogs and in the Columbus Dispatch that Texas would listen if the Big 10 came calling, not that Texas would switch. They were interested once before and the interest is likely still there. Do I have the UT president on speed dial to confirm this, no.
Well good for you.
Since the Big 12 has only been around for about 15 years that is debatable, but not the issue here. Besides you are looking through football only glasses and not looking at television contracts, media markets, academics. There is much more to joining a different conference than just the football program.
Not really. Look at it this way. When the two sports writers wrote the book about Barry Bonds and steriods they did not name their source from who they got their information from. Would you not find their book credible because they did not name a source.
I could care less about what Frank the Tank tells me. I was well aware of Texas's interest in the Big 10 before I read Frank The Tank's blog. Could it be that you are so nieve that you won't consider any information unless it comes from the almighty ESPN.
I'm not saying I would like to see it or not see it just that there is interest between the two parties, whether it unfolds or not is an entirely different story.
Same here. As the Buckeye board I post on has several Longhorn fans on it talking about Texas potentially going to the Big 10.
don't hold back. Tell us why.
so you are just guessing.Just what I have heard on some credible blogs and in the Columbus Dispatch that Texas would listen if the Big 10 came calling, not that Texas would switch. They were interested once before and the interest is likely still there. Do I have the UT president on speed dial to confirm this, no.
you asking me to ask UT fan about it doesn't prove your point, so it's definitely not good for you.Well good for you.
since 1998, Ohio St is the only team to go to the le game from the Big 10 three times and won once.Since the Big 12 has only been around for about 15 years that is debatable
Including this year, OU and UT have gone a combined five times winning twice, tonite possibly being a third.
the debate wouldn't last for long.
the number you might be crunching in your head are still just more guessing on your part.but not the issue here. Besides you are looking through football only glasses and not looking at television contracts, media markets, academics. There is much more to joining a different conference than just the football program.
Have you written and published a book on why Texas is still interested in moving to the Big 10?Not really. Look at it this way. When the two sports writers wrote the book about Barry Bonds and steriods they did not name their source from who they got their information from. Would you not find their book credible because they did not name a source.
I could care less what your opinion is unless you have something substantial to back it up with.I could care less about what Frank the Tank tells me. I was well aware of Texas's interest in the Big 10 before I read Frank The Tank's blog. Could it be that you are so nieve that you won't consider any information unless it comes from the almighty ESPN.
Could it be that you are a buckeye fan that is just doing some wishful thinking?
I respect your opinions Nate, but I'm definitely not naive enough to consider random information from some biased buckeye poster on the college page of an NBA message board.
More guessing.I'm not saying I would like to see it or not see it just that there is interest between the two parties, whether it unfolds or not is an entirely different story.
Post the link to what these UT fans are saying. You do at least have me curious.Same here. As the Buckeye board I post on has several Longhorn fans on it talking about Texas potentially going to the Big 10.
Ehhhh!
Wrong. After reading this forum some time ago about this very issue, I decided to do some research into the local papers and scene.
Turns out, obviously, the B10 wants Notre Dame first and foremost. But they dont want to be denied (again), so its a no-go.
The next logical addition is Mizzou. Large market, good athletics, passable academics, great following...did I mention large TV market thereby increasing the already sizeable pool of TV money the B10 already gets?
Yeah. Mistreating Mizzou is not smart. B10 wants them as option 1B, which just so happens to be the only realistic option on the table (and a very, very good one for the B10 at that).
Now, this all hinges on the B10 expanding which is still up in the air. but if it does...Mizzou will be its first choice to get an offer. An offer that is FAR superior to their current deal in the B12.
Mind you, I dont think UT wants to join the B10. I did read that in other places but I just dismissed it as hogwash.
Doesnt make me right, but I still outright dismiss it.
Oh, I also dont believe Nebraska wants out of the B12 along the same lines of UT. They have a nice little monopoly intraconference and, IMO only, are an outright dismissal the same as UT.
Dont get me wrong. B10 would rape/kill/plunder for either Notre Dame, Texas or Nebraska. I just dont *think* either one of them has the same interest level.
I don't know why, which is why I asked.
I am just repeating what others have said. Yeah it is mostly just guessing that there is mutual interest, which I believe there is based upon the fact that Texas has requested yo be in the Big 10 before and the Big Ten rejected although listened to the offer before. I'm not saying that the interest level on either side is high, but I do think it is there depending on how a deal could be worked out.
Well I do not know one single UT fan, which is why I asked.
True but Okalhoma has lost several (more than Ohio St) BCS bowls but never gets the same scrutinty that Ohio St. does.
In the BCS area which is just shorther than the existence of the Big 12. The Big 10 has 21 BCS appearances to the Big 12s 17 appearances. The Big 10 has a 10 wins to the Big 12s 7. The Big 10s winning % in BCS games is .476 and the Big 12s is .438. Each conference has had 7 different representatives. The Big 10 also has the school that has the most BCS appearances in Ohio State. So there is a debate.
Really. If Texas was added to the Big 10 they would had the Dallas and Houston matches where as adding Missouri adds 1/2 the KC market. You don't need to crunch very many numbers to know which market would generate more revenue.
Not that I am aware of, although if I did I would dedicate it to you.
Not really, I would rather have Notre Dame in our league, but that is wishful thinking. I could care less if Texas was added because they would likely be in the opposite division IF Texas was added and would rotate years that they played.
Fair enough.
Just google "Texas to the Big 10" you will get plenty of information about it.
What.......
The Big 10 said (specifically Barry Alvarez) that they wanted to hit a home rum if it were to expand. Obviously that would be Notre Dame. If Missouri is the Big 10s home run then they must be playing in a little league park. IMO Missouri while fitting geogrpahically and academically 1/2 KC market is not the home run the Big 10 is really thinking of. Of course I could be wrong, but I just don't see Missouri in the Big 10.
I don't see the Big 10 asking Nebraska either. No real TV markets and academically is not very strong when comapred to the Big 10 schools.
why would they? they're not a member of the big 12...they own the big 12.
Why are you so focused in on just .5 the KC market? There are 6 million people in Missouri. It's the 18th most populous state. That's more than Iowa, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and only 300,000 less than Indiana.
Outside of Notre Dame's national following, it's hard to believe that they are going to be able to add any NEW markets that fit in geographically, academically, athletically, and approach that number.
Could Texas BE Considered in Big Ten
Will the Big 10 grow to a dozen
'Large Dozen' would bring Big Ten le game, more money
Blake, this article mentions that Texas has issues w/ the Big 12 FWIW
Texas
Just for you Blake.
Barking Carnival
Offers some fan response to the issue, some pro UT to the Big 10 and vice versa.
You said you were curious Blake, does any of that help you out? I'm not saying it would happen, in fact I think UT going to the Big 10 has less than a percent chance, but I still think there is some interest in both parties, how much interest, who knows.
Did you even read the articles in the links you posted?
^^confirms my thoughts...We also remember how the Texas Legislature played a big part in the formative stages of the Big 12. It would be hard for Texas to be able to escape the conference from which it helped create less than two decades ago....
....I don't think we'll see the Big 12 raided by the Big Ten in their expansion plans.
This blog says nothing about UT being interested in joining the Big 10. All it does is list the positives for having UT in the Big 10.
^^another blogger with nothing new to say. Dodd isn't exactly the brightest bulb in the box.If the Big Ten wants to hit a home run, it could invite Texas. The school might be geographically undesirable, but the league would have to salivate at a chance to have the two richest athletic departments in one conference (Ohio State is the other).
It is known that Texas has been desired by the Pac-10 in the past. Texas has been upset at times with various Big 12 issues, the latest the three-team tiebreaker that kept it from winning the South Division last year.
what's funny is if you read the respones to Griffin and Dodd, many of them call the idea of UT moving to the Big 10 "stupid".
first two paragraphs:
Now it does say "all factors being equal Texas would rather be in the Big 10" but doesnt expound on that or say why.Could Texas be the team the Big 10 is eyeing to become the twelth member of the conference?
Maybe, but it's beyond unlikely Texas would do it. It's not so much that the Big 12 is so wonderful (all other factors being equal, Texas would rather be in the Big 10), it's that (at least for football) a move to the Big 10 would dramatically hamper Texas' ability to schedule. At all.
It's nothing more than his opinion.
^^"backroom dealings"? WTF?The Big 12 is doomed moving forward, but backroom dealings have revealed that the Pac-10 will take the Longhorns if they don’t go to the Big Ten.
So you don't like frank the tank, but you'll trust a blogger named "huckleberry"?
The last one helped me laugh.You said you were curious Blake, does any of that help you out?
Although there is no evidence for it, and more evidence against it, I really have no problem with you thinking UT has interest in leaving the Big XII for the Big 10.I'm not saying it would happen, in fact I think UT going to the Big 10 has less than a percent chance, but I still think there is some interest in both parties, how much interest, who knows.
Just don't tell me "a lot of people do" when I see that really only you and Huckleberry do.
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Some yes and some no. I posted the various links becuase you said you were curious. I posted them whether the link was for or against UT moving to the Big 10 and all of it was opinion, I wasn't trying to prove any point about posting those links other than there was talk that UT could go to the Big 10, nothing more and nothing less.
And there are positives if it would ever happen, but I doubt it ever would, but it goes to show you that there is the potential for it to happen, although I would guess that it won't.
I am going to play the role of you for a second. Be more specific to show Dodd isn't exactly the brightest bulb in the box? Do you have is IQ score, his transcripts to show that he is not exactly the brighest bulb in the box. Oh wait it is just your opinion and that means it actually has little merit.
Actually I could care less if you thought Dodd was an idiot or genius. Like I already said, I just posted the links to show that there was talk about the Big 10 asking UT or UT going to the Big 10, regardless if it ever materialized or not.
Correct. I think Texas to the Big 10 would be good for the Big Ten in terms of TV revenue, conference perception, new rivalries, if it ever decided to leave the Big 12. But I think from Texas's perspective that it would not be a good decision mainly because I think the Big 12 caters to them and they are the Big 12s cash cow. Whether there are any problems with UT and the Big 12 I don't actually know, but some bloggers seem to think so, but that is merely opinion and really doesn't mean to much other than being a conversatino piece.
[QUOTE=Blake;3976791]So you don't like frank the tank, but you'll trust a blogger named "huckleberry"?[QUOTE=Blake;3976791]
Frank the Tank did most some good facts on the TV Revenue deal. Never said I trusted either blogger, when did I say I trust a blogger.
No evidence for it, the fact that they would make more substantially more TV revenue if UT did switch is not evidence that a possible move could happen. Look I don't think UT has much interest in leaving the Big 12, if at all but some people, albeit bloggers have talked about it, whether it is real or not. I was just trying to create some talking points.
Ok I will admit that "a lot of people" was a misuse of words, but you are putting words in my mouth saying that Texas will join the Big. All I am saying that there is talk out there of it possibly happening, knowing that all the talk is opinion and fodder. But Texas sis ask to join the Big 10 in the 90s, you can at least agree on that, right????? I'm just saying that if they asked once they might still have interest, and that is my personal opinion. Whether the Big 10 ever asks or is even remotely interest in asking UT I have no clue.
I could post some of the blogs he has had over the years where he shoots off horrible opinions right off the cuff without researching them, while also blatantly showing his Missouri bias, but in the end, me saying Dodd isn't the brightest bulb in the box is absolutely all my opinion.
You saying "a lot of people say Texas has interest to leave the Big XII" is something based on substance that can easily be displayed.
Ok I will admit that "a lot of people" was a misuse of words, but you are putting words in my mouth saying that Texas will join the Big. All I am saying that there is talk out there of it possibly happening, knowing that all the talk is opinion and fodder. But Texas sis ask to join the Big 10 in the 90s, you can at least agree on that, right????? I'm just saying that if they asked once they might still have interest, and that is my personal opinion. Whether the Big 10 ever asks or is even remotely interest in asking UT I have no clue.
where did I quote you as saying "Texas will join the Big 10"?
Yes Texas talked to the Big 10 in the 90s because they wanted to bolt from the SWC like Arkie did. I think that's why they asked once upon a time.
Now they have settled well into a strong, yet controllable conference like the Big XII, I see no reason why they would have any interest in leaving.
I think that if the Big 10 thought they had a real shot at getting UT they would send an invite. I think they know they have no real shot.
Exactly.
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