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    Rofl! not a whole lot of discussion going on here cept for patting on the back, "Good Boy" self masturbatory threads with you and MB.
    EVAY has the best post so far, and I don't think I said word one to MB.

    There's a conversation to be had here for anyone interested in it. It's too bad your erotic musings and over the top spitefulness keep interfering with your ability to contribute.

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    I know, we totally have like 57 states now since our ascension to becoming a superpower.

    Vietnam, Bosnia, Granada, Afghanistan, Iraq, Puerto Rico and Japan.
    We have 50 states when we started with 13. Tell Spain, France, and Mexico they can have back the large swathes of territory we've appropriated from them over the years.

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    I thought this would be a thread about gay rights.

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    Leaving our sensibilities to our military commanders invites only perpetual war, IMO. It is their business and for now it seems, business is good.
    Right. Empire building has its rewards.

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    There is no political will (in either Congress or the American people) consistent with this opinion, yet does seem to be one for permanent counterinsurgency, which is the model that has replaced the Marshall Plan, the airy and noble opinions of our military commanders totally notwithstanding.
    The Marshall Plan was a rebuilding strategy. It was a way of rebuilding Europe and thwart communism. BTW many England used their monies from this to create their socialized health care system.
    Counterinsurgency is a way of fighting, not maintaining. It started from the author of "Eating Soup with A Knife". I think counterinsurgency is just an update of the Marshall Plan.

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    There has never been any proof that the military commanders ever pushed for war, so as to have something to do. It is pretty ty for anyone to insinuate without any evidence. Contrary to popular belief- most people in the Military do not want to be at war. The Presidential candidate who got the most votes from military commanders, from both parties, was Ron Paul.

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    We have 50 states when we started with 13. Tell Spain, France, and Mexico they can have back the large swathes of territory we've appropriated from them over the years.
    MExico will give it back to SPain and Spain to all the indians. Then we give all our land to the indians. Then the indians will give it back to the older tribes. Meanwhile Europe will give it back to Rome, who will give it back to Greece. Right?

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    Civilians give the orders, true, but if the military brass was against the growth, or the interventions, the opposition has been rather meek to say the least.
    The conceit the generals were somehow stifling the urge to war all along was undermined by their repeated requests for more weapons and more equipment.

    And lately, more troops.
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    I thought this would be a thread about gay rights.
    Disappointed?

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    Why did you think so, jack?

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    Maybe you should start a gay themed mini-forum. That way you could avoid this kind of confusion.

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    MExico will give it back to SPain and Spain to all the indians. Then we give all our land to the indians. Then the indians will give it back to the older tribes. Meanwhile Europe will give it back to Rome, who will give it back to Greece. Right?
    ex was teasing gtown about all our military actions being motivated by high-minded altruism without any thought to our own benefit or advantage. It wasn't a straight take. Either your bs detector is faulty, or your bs generator went haywire. Hard to tell which. Maybe it's both.

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    We have 50 states when we started with 13. Tell Spain, France, and Mexico they can have back the large swathes of territory we've appropriated from them over the years.
    Were we an empire then? Are you re ed?

    And France yeah.. we took over their territory with money. Get lost, Stupid, or Get stupid, Lost.

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    Liberal interventionism seems to be gtown's civil religion. Yours too, for that matter, SnC. Beats me what's so conservative about cramming our way of life and our system of government down everybody's throat.

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    ex was teasing gtown about all our military actions being motivated by high-minded altruism without any thought to our own benefit or advantage. It wasn't a straight take. Either your bs detector is faulty, or your bs generator went haywire. Hard to tell which. Maybe it's both.


    I wonder how many electoral votes Bosnia will receive for 2012..

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    We have military installations in how many countries, gtown?

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    Liberal interventionism seems to be gtown's civil religion. Yours too, for that matter, SnC. Beats me what's so conservative about cramming our way of life and our system of government down everybody's throat.
    Oh thank's bud. I didn't see where in any of those statements did i say i was for liberal intervention, neoconservatism, or whatever you want to call it.

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    How many foreign installations do we allow in ours?

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    We have military installations in how many countries, gtown?
    You want to say that mutually agreed and beneficial installations are a mark of a blood thirsty empire?

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    How many foreign installations do we allow in ours?
    What? You want the Mexican Army, Airforce to protect us from the Puerto Ricans?

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    Oh thank's bud. I didn't see where in any of those statements did i say i was for liberal intervention, neoconservatism, or whatever you want to call it.
    How many of the interventions were you against? To hear you tell it, it was all self-sacrificing, and all of it justified.

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    What? You want the Mexican Army, Airforce to protect us from the Puerto Ricans?
    You miss the point. How many other countries host US military installations?

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    You want to say that mutually agreed and beneficial installations are a mark of a blood thirsty empire?
    I never said we were bloodthirsty. But we are undeniably an empire. That there is no direct acquisition of territory is beside the point. We project our power globally. You dispute this?

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    How many of the interventions were you against? To hear you tell it, it was all self-sacrificing, and all of it justified.
    Nam and Bosnia.

    I didn't say it was all self sacrificing, and all justified, just that we've been the only country to do such a thing. Ex Bosnia.

    Why do you hate reading comprehension?

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    So then, you were speaking exclusively to Iraq? I can see that. You did not say it directly, but that makes sense.

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