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LMAO this is great...
It's all Barry and Robinsons fault...
They're the reason Parker, Manu, Bowen and Duncan choked ing ass.
Why don't you guys get on Bowen's ass for taking 1 shot in the entire game...call him a coward.
Perhaps he's being modest? I mean, as opposed to saying something to press about "I wish they'd put me in". (shrug)
LMAO this is great...
It's all Barry and Robinsons fault...
They're the reason Parker, Manu, Bowen and Duncan choked ing ass.
Why don't you guys get on Bowen's ass for taking 1 shot in the entire game...call him a coward.
Robinson was labeled a ball hog and a cancer in Milawukee...not tentative.
The guy said verbatim what Pop said and everyone calls him a coward...
IOW he defended Pop's move to not play him.
If you want to see what Robinson was like on those Milwaukee teams go back and look at the 5 or 6 year winning streak he had against us.
Just so we know who to blame for this loss...
The last time Barry was in the game(in meaningful moments) we were up 67-65
The last time Robinson was in the game(in meaningful moments) we were up 81-79
How did they choke???
They were tired, and they were trying to relearn to play with each other when it counted. TD had lost his legs.
What did I say the past two weeks????
Did I not say that Pop should not rest the players so much? I wanted him to stop worrying about whether they will get injured, and to play the stars at crunch time to get them used to having to play when the chips were down.
Because they had not played together for 1 month, they needed to play all the minutes they could together to get their wind back, and get into a groove together. You can not just turn that on come playoffs, I said, it has to be each and every game going in. That is why they were not in game shape, (in winning shape), because they were too worried about injuries and getting tired. You lose your legs, you miss shots, that is not some kind of new revelation in bball, you know.
Bowen did not choke, he played masterful defense on Melo, he only took one shot, but that was probably the gameplan.
Yeah Jim, you were also predicting we were going to win that game after I had already gone into fit mode over the rotation.
So Bowen, who is the leading 3 PCT shooter on our team, our starting shooter, takes 1 shot, and it's part of the game plan...Barry takes two yet has 4 assists, and he's a gutless coward...
Robinson takes 3 shots in 6 minutes and he's tentative...
It's amazing the lenghts you guys will go to to defend Pop.
You'll blame everyone but him...even though the two guys that are getting the blame now weren't even on the court...
Here's the deal, regardless what transpired earlier in the game...
Parker, Duncan, Manu and Bowen were in the game from the time we had the lead, until the time we were down by 7 points...
Those guys had a chance to win that game... the had they lead...and they got beaten...they could not hit the side of a barn, they played 1 on 1, they just threw pure slop out there on the offensive side of the ball...And Pop watched it happen...eve worse he's saying he would do it all over again.
Put the blame where it belongs...
They were not going 1 on 1, they were trying to get the ball inside. That is what you do when you have lost your legs.
Could Barry have played? Could Robinson? Yes, but if they had played and we would have lost, all you haters would have been sayiing that Pop sucks beccause he did not have him main guys on the floor, the stars who make the most money, blah blah blah....you know it, I know it.
Yeah Jim, you were also predicting we were going to win that game after I had already gone into fit mode over the rotation.
I predicted???
I was being positive in the 4th quarter, all you ers were all crying that we lost the game when we were down 4 points with 2 mins to go. I was trying to maintain some sanity when all of you guys were going ape .
So sue me for maintaining some semblance of faith.
And we were right.
Faith in who? In what?So sue me for maintaining some semblance of faith.
That doing absolutely nothing will end a scoring drought?
If I see an idiot about to jump off a building I am not gonna sit there and have faith that he will survive...I am going to say," hey idiot, don't jump off that building". But that's just me.
Our starting line up hasn't been good in the final second of games at any point this season...and it's not going to get any better with Nazr added to it...for all his o boards and dunks he is still too shakey on offense and defense to be in there at crunch time over Horry(and his 5 rings).
Yo go look at all our big close wins this season and you will see 1 name factoring in every single one of them.......Brent Barry...and the name you will most after that is Robert Horry. And Big Dogg needs no qualification other than his career against the Spurs.
Sometimes, faith is all you have to keep you going.Faith in who? In what?
If it seems like I've been lost
In let's remember
If you think I'm feeling older
And missing my younger days
Oh, then you should have known
Me much better
Cause my past is something that never
Got in my way
Oh no
Still I would not be here now
If I never had the hunger
And I'm not ashamed to say
The wild boys were my friends
Oh
Cause I never felt the desire
'Til their music set me on fire
And then I was saved, yeah
That's why I'm keeping the faith
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
Keeping the faith
"they were trying to get the ball inside. That is what you do when you have lost your legs. '
No, that's what you do when the coach calls inside-out, to run 4-down to a player who is playing on one and a half ankles and who isn't in the best of game shape from trying to rest his ankle in the previous 2 weeks.
Why are the Spurs so tired, already in the very first game of the playoffs? The Spurs took it easy in the last 3 games of the season, lost them all, then had 3 days' rest before playing comfortably at home. Why TF are the Spurs tired in Game1?
I don't give a FF about Pop's record and 2 championships this week, and apparently, neither do the Nuggets.
All I'm concerned about now is the Denver series, and I sure got the impression that George had his troops better prepared with a game plan, and better psychologically, than Pop and the Spurs.
Was the TNT crew totally wrong that the Spurs had no intensity? How can that be possible?
Why do the Spurs have to blow HCA and dig themselves into a deep hole in order to wake themselves up and start playing with intensity (IF that's what they do Wed night)? That's Pop's role and/or the role of the team leader, who Pop says is Tim.
I posted earlier that the Nuggets minimum, primary objective coming to SA was to split
and steal HCA. Mission accomplished, surprisingly in Game1.
But seeing the Rockets put the dagger in the Mavs last night, I'm sure the Nuggets would love put the dagger in the Spurs Wed night. Now, I figure that the Nuggets won't take it easy after Mission Accomplished, but will play to win Game2 as much or even more than Game1, to finish off the Spurs early.
The Spurs can't just eke out close win Wed night, because that won't dent the Nuggets self-confidence. If the Spurs play the Nuggets even but manage to win, the Nuggets will consider it a moral victory. The Spurs have to win convincingly, up and down the court, all 48 minutes (kinda hard to do when the whole ing team has Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, but, "Do Your Best"). Spurs have to hold the momentum while going to Denver, must put some fear into and some pressure on the Nuggets.
The Spurs, having ed up royally, have to make the best of a disaster.
All you "it's only one game" assholes can STFU. That didn't apply in an 82-game season, and certainly doesn't apply now. The Spurs got the habit of giving away too many losses in the season with bad, lackadaisical play, playing down to weak teams, didn't learn how to beat good teams on the road, and now they start the playoffs with giving away the first game and HCA with horrendous, lackadaisical play. The Spurs choked and butt- ed themselves. And, Pop is absolutely wrong to suggest "we just missed some shots".
I really wonder if Pop wants to invest the coaching effort that will stimulate the playing effort? Perhaps Pop is wondering why TF should he bust his ass if the players aren't busting their asses?
I think Robinson was referring to not knowing all the nuances of the Spurs system - which in the playoffs become more important as the other team starts to get a feel for how your team plays both offensively and defensively.
I don't see any evidence that he's afraid to shoot. I actually like the fact that he admits he doesn't know everything yet. The Spurs offensive and defensive systems are rumored to be among the most complicated in the League. There's now way he could pick it all up in less than a month, especially given the teams he has logged the majority of his playing time with over the years. It sure seems like he really has checked his ego at the door. If he re-signs next year (long shot I know) I think we can expect good things.
How complicated is it to say...hey get your ass out there and hit a shot.
It's not like our D was stopping the Nuggets anyway...
What made it even more hilarious was when we kept him out at a time when we were fouling to get the ball back...if we are gonna foul then why isn't he in the game for his offensive contributions?
Why even discuss anything when Whottt and Aggie talk to you like this in a discussion.
it.
Of course....think he feels ready to contribute, but he's got to tote the party line.
And that man is not the always babied Duncan who shown time and again he doesnt want that job, that man is the ing heart and soul of this team MANU ING GINOBILI!!!
Manu was showing semblence of being a vocal leader, I hope right now in practice he is doing that, and in the locker room.
I also hope we can run some more screen and rolls or pick and rolls for Manu, and cut down on the Parker shots.
Because TD has played a total of 80 mins in the last 5 wks, that is why.Why are the Spurs so tired, already in the very first game of the playoffs? The Spurs took it easy in the last 3 games of the season, lost them all, then had 3 days' rest before playing comfortably at home. Why TF are the Spurs tired in Game1?
It takes time to get back in bball shape...it is not like he was running sprints while recooperating, he had to rest the ankle.
He needs some serious minutes to get back in his groove. Also Nazr and Horry have had to play more mins than usual because of TD's and Rasho's injuries....everyone is more worn out than usual.
Bull , Denver shot 40% for the game, they hit less than 40%(6-17) in the 4th Q.
They had some shots that bounced around the rim and fell in, whereas the Spuirs shotys were bouncing around the rim and rolling off...thoses are the breaks sometimes....that freaking rainbow shot by the midget over Nazr was nothing less than devine intervention...he could not hit that shot again if he shot it 20 more times.
Sometimes you get all the breaks, sometimes you can not buy one....
The Spurs will win this series.
Our defense gave us plenty of opportunities to win the game in the fourth. More often than not, defense will win out. Sometimes it won't, but if I believed offense at the expense of defense was a more reliable basketball system on the whole, I'd be a Kings fan.
It's like you guys think Glenn Robinson would have come in and hit 5 or 6 shots in the quarter. At most, the best you could probably hope for is 2 or 3. And how many of those would have been offset by Denver baskets at the other end?
The Spurs of the early 90's used to go into scoring droughts. Antoine Carr was very valuable because he could come in and hit baseline jumpshots, which would calm everyone down and help the collective confidence of the team. Doc Rivers did the same thing when he was here, which is why his injury in the playoffs was the death of the team that year. When everyone is having problems scoring, you need a calming influence. Robinson and Barry were brought in because they can shoot. It's a legitimate question as to why they weren't leaned on for that reason.
You can't just win with defense alone. It takes offense too. And the years we have won les our offense played a role in it.
Steve Kerr wasn't a defensive player....and I hate to tell you guys this...but neither was Jack.
Are you serious? He can hit 8 or 9 shots in a quarter...and he probably will have a better chance at doing it if he doesn't get DNPCD'ed for the entire first half.It's like you guys think Glenn Robinson would have come in and hit 5 or 6 shots in the quarter. At most, the best you could probably hope for is 2 or 3.
I saw you saying this in another thread, that Melo would have outscored Robinson by some huge margin...I gurantee you Big Dogg has out scored the man guarding him most of the time in his career...this guy is not some NBDL scrub...he's an All Star with the best midrange J of this era, he's also been the man on a conference finalist, he's also owned us and our great D for his entire career....owned us. Like we went a half a decade without beating him....with Drob and Duncan...and inspite of his not playing D...And how many of those would have been offset by Denver baskets at the other end?
The 03 Mavs didn't play D and we barely beat them...we beat them because we could play on both sides of the ball better than they could.
The Suns don't play it either...
You think the Bulls won all those les because of their D? The Showtime Lakers? The most recent Laker Dynasty?
I mean we were a better defensive/weaker offensive team than LA every time we played them...how'd that work out for us? Can you say choke?
Steve Kerr was brought in while we were behind. We were losing anyway, so it was smart to put in a scorer... defense doesn't help much if you're behind.You can't just win with defense alone. It takes offense too. And the years we have won les our offense played a role in it.
Steve Kerr wasn't a defensive player....and I hate to tell you guys this...but neither was Jack.
If you're tied or ahead, defense is still important. If we are consistently down 10-15 points to the Nuggets in Game 2, and our offense is not clicking, you will almost certainly see more Robinson and Barry.
Like I've said in other threads, I wouldn't have been opposed to giving Robinson a couple more minutes in the fourth, when it was clear that nothing was falling... but you're not going to see him out there for 20-25 minutes per game, and you shouldn't.
He can't and he won't. It's ridiculous to suggest he would hit 8 or 9 shots. How many shots are you giving him? All 17 that were missed? Be realistic.Are you serious? He can hit 8 or 9 shots in a quarter...and he probably will have a better chance at doing it if he doesn't get DNPCD'ed for the entire first half.
I saw you saying this in another thread, that Melo would have outscored Robinson by some huge margin...I gurantee you Big Dogg has out scored the man guarding him most of the time in his career...this guy is not some NBDL scrub...he's an All Star with the best midrange J of this era, he's also been the man on a conference finalist, he's also owned us and our great D for his entire career....owned us. Like we went a half a decade without beating him.Dude, welcome to 2005. We wouldn't have gotten him for a minimum contract if he was still that kind of player.
Melo would run all over Robinson, and George Karl would make sure of it... because he's a good coach AND he has reason to humiliate Robinson.
The 03 Mavs played above average defense that year. They gave up a lot of points per game because of the pace, but opponents were held to a low shooting percentage.The 03 Mavs didn't play D and we barely beat them
And with Dirk out for the last 3 games, their FOCUS was defense, and it was much improved in his absence.
Whottt, what do you want?
You want to bench our best players in the 4th Q?
You think they will go 0-17 again?
TD needs to be in the game, we had the shots we wanted, they just rolled offf the rim or bounced off, they were close to dropping in, it was a matter of inches. These guys can win games, and they can make stops(6-17), they had a bad 4th Q offensively, BFD, they will improve on it....just ing relax.
I disagree totally...if you are behind you need stops...when you can't score and are blowing a lead you need offense.
Barry is useless in a game where we are down 15 points...he's got his most usefulness when the game is close or we have a lead.If you're tied or ahead, defense is still important. If we are consistently down 10-15 points to the Nuggets in Game 2, and our offense is not clicking, you will almost certainly see more Robinson and Barry.
I'd say the same is true of BigBogg. But he's got more use when we are trailing.
Bottom line is both of them are our best options when our problem is a scoring drought.
When you have the lead you can trade baskets and win...when you are tied you can trade baskets and stay in the game until the momentum changes.
I would have just like to have seen him come for a couple of posessions.Like I've said in other threads, I wouldn't have been opposed to giving Robinson a couple more minutes in the fourth, when it was clear that nothing was falling... but you're not going to see him out there for 20-25 minutes per game, and you shouldn't.
Um...did you not see the game where he just went 9-11 in 19 minutes of play?He can't and he won't. It's ridiculous to suggest he would hit 8 or 9 shots. How many shots are you giving him? All 17 that were missed? Be realistic.
Yes we would have...because the reason he had fallen out of favor were due to his reputation, his personal problems, and his unwillingness to play for the Hornets.
Melo would run all over Robinson, and George Karl would make sure of it... because he's a good coach AND he has reason to humiliate Robinson.
He's still got that J...he's still got it.
The 2003 Spurs couldn't keep a lead or get interested until crunch time, and the biggest play Steve Kerr made against the Mavs was a defensive play.
and it will be their downfall.
Absolutely. Jordan, Pippen, Harper, Grant, Rodman, Magic, AC Green, Kareem, Cooper are all top-tier defenders, as were Shaq Kobe Horry and Fisher. IIRC Harp and Grant played on a couple of the Laker teams, too.
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