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stats matter most.
This is pathetic. Kobe can have all the handles in the world. But if he's not shooting at least 40% and not gving them 9 boards and 7 assists its pointless.
stats matter most.
who gives a about handles when you can just power drive to the rim non stop..Now Lebron is drilling 20 footers easily so its basically pick your poison..You either let him drive right by you or he'll just pop a 20 footer easily since its so tough guarding him.
Championships matter most. When you don't win a ring what you did does not have nearly the same significance as when you win it all.
I was responding to someone who posted that Lebron is better than Kobe in all areas. He's not.
But I agree, for now. Right now Lebron doesn't need a lot of skills because of his power and athleticism. But when the athleticism goes his basketball skills get magnified and post 30 years of age Lebron will start to have problems scoring because he won't be able to blow past people anymore.
5 years? Once Lebron develops a post-up game, nobody can ever stop that guy. He still needs to polish some aspects of his game but Kobe should be lucky that he's no longer around to play against a prime Lebron
He did and it resulted in a left-handed layup. Artest is a big guy but when Lebron posted him up, he looked like a little kit
Lebron will work on his post game eventually but he can do whatever he damn wants right now..Never seen a player his size do the he does. I hope LA watches this game though & sees Lebron rapping n , dancing & all that other nonsense. I know hes having fun & all but this aint in rucker park homie.
Better winner? Kobe can't win without another all-star/all-NBA player. Lebron has been carrying a group of role players for most of his career.
This isn't even debatable at all..there will be people picking Kobe out of respect, but Lebron has been better for a minute now..
Actually, I think Lebron's been better for a while now. He's just been saddled with a weak supporting cast and an inconsistent coach.
Yup..I would understand if Lebron had played poorly last playoffs, but he dominated at that time too..there's nothing Kobe really has over Lebron in the argument..Lebron and Kobe have the same usage % this season, meaning they use the same amount of possessions for their teams, yet Lebron averages more assists in a slower-paced system, more points, and shoots a ridiculous 5% higher from the field..it's gotten to the point where Lebron is shooting significantly better than Kobe from 3-point range too..
I don't really know what can be used to argue Kobe is better at this point..his fans will point out trivial aspects like Kobe's post-up game that he can barely even use with LA's spacing problems..even with the improved post-up game, he's shooting 46%, nothing special..
It's gotten to the point where his fans have to point out that Lebron won't be effective when he's past the age of 30 LOL..
I can careless if Lebron is better. At the end, you'll be judged by championships. RIght now, Kobe is trying to cement his legacy with the greats like Duncan, Shaq, Magic and MJ. Lebron is currently linked to the greats like KArl Malone, Reggie Miller and Charles Barkley.
Shaq, MJ, Magic didnt win without another hall of famer. But Kobe did. ANd you are right...Lebron is carrying a group of role players. What did that get him? NOTHING. When he gets another all star, maybe he'll win a ring right?
Your whole arguement is pointless.
if its base on championships then kerr, horry > kome
Lebron has been carrying teams nowhere. Lebron had an all-star in Mo Williams last year and couldn't get it done. Lebron also had a big man who has been an all-star in the past. Kobe had only one all-star last year and no other player who had ever made an all-star game but he got it done.
Last year Lebron's team won 66 games, the most in the NBA, so no one can say he didn't have the talent around him. They had the talent to win 66 games didn't they? Yet in the playoffs his team got rolled by a team that had won 7 fewer games. And it took a miracle shot for the Cavs to avoid an embarrassing 4-1 series loss.
Magic had two Hall of Fame players around him, one of the guys was a 6 time MVP. Bird had two and and sometimes three Hall of Famers. Bill Russell had six Hall of Famers on his team. Shaq never won without a top 5 player on his team.
Those other guys had all that talent around them, but when Kobe wins with only one all-star that means he's not that good? Do you see the total absurdity of your logic? Kobe won a championship with less talent around him than Magic, Bird, Russell or Shaq had to name a few.
Don't be a dumb . Those are role players. Role players don't get credit for championships. Players that get credit for winning championships are the ones that are elite, Hall of Fame caliber players.
Last edited by namlook; 01-22-2010 at 05:20 AM.
Stop wasting your time..You already know that Kobe will be hated on even if he wins a few more rings..Ppl just love putting him down for some reason..Maybe cuz they dont like Lakers fans or whatever but a lot of ppl need to chill out. Everytime LA loses I come to this site expecting to see 75% of the threads related to kobe or Lakers sucking balls hahaha.. is a little overboard but i guess thats what happens when the most popular team in the league loses a few games.
Kid, It's ridiculous to even consider comparing Kobe with MJ. Same goes for Lebron btw.
For the sake of equality, I would say that all this talk about Lebron carrying a bunch of scrubs is getting real old now. Yes, he does'nt have a legitimate superstar by his side, but to be honest, the cast that Lebron has right now quite possibly has the best chemistry and fits Lebron's skillset. They are faaaaraway from being scrubs, so drop that and respect the Cavs role players. These are probably one of the toughest minded and physical teams out there. These Cavaliers has surpassed the Celtics in terms of defensive prowess.
Varejao, Hikcson and Shaq are nothing to sneeze at. They will not give you ESPN highlight plays but they body up, box out and hustle like no other. Mo Williams is not an All Star but he sure can hit the lights out. Same with boobie Gibson. And despite of his bi polar disorder, Delonte West IMO is that x-factor that turns momentum up another notch when Lebron is doing his amzingness. He's a momentum turner. IF they get a healthy Leon Powe then he's just icing on the cake.
Yes, Kobe's team is much more talented, thats undeniable, but the nitty gritty mentality does not exist with Gasol, Odom, Bynum and Luke Walton. Ron Artest has really not made much of a difference defensively,and he's such a downgrade compared to Ariza offensively. Fish has dead legs and his backups could not get a lot of burn, thanks to Phil Jackson.
Right now, Cleveland though an inferior team when it comes to talent will beat the Lakers 4 times out of 7 if they meet in June. Why? because the team has exhibit their hunger and passion to prove they belong in the upper echelon of le contenders.
Last edited by ChrisRichards; 01-22-2010 at 07:19 AM.
maybe you need to do research. that was when MJ was like 15, only 5'11, and a sophmore in high school. by his senior year, he was averaging a triple double, and many people said he was more than capable of jumping straight to the NBA. he probably wouldnt have hit the ground running the way that Lebron was able to (and Kobe clearly wasnt able to as it took a good 3-4 years for him to figure it out), but he still more than likely could have made the jump.
kobe is better at handling the rock, although not to a point that it really makes a difference. lebron handles the ball extremely well. the only thing that hinders him really is his height.
very misleading too, because in most any era, Gasol would have been an all-star and All-Pro player on a near yearly basis. he just had the misfortune of playing on a crappy small market team like the Grizzlies in a conference that featured Duncan, Nowitzki, and Garnett, who might end up going down as the three greatest PFs of all time.
he may be a bit soft when things get physical, but Gasol is without a question, one of the most skilled big men of all time
The passing of the torch has not yet begun but no doubt this will be Lebron's league in the not to distant future.
Look, Kobe bashing aside and belittlement of his accomplishments aside, Kobe still has some thunder in him and it's ridiculous to think he's just going to lay down and let Lebron just pass him by. You can say all you want about Kobe but if anything is he is still a compe ive guy.
The current Laker team is designed to compete fo the next 2,3 maybe 4 years. Rest assured the Lakers FO will do whatever it takes to compliment Kobe's game even if his game comes to mere post and no slashing. Kobe's skills at whatever level will be well complimented with whoever plays with him.
The colletive talent of the Lakers (okay, maybe not the bench at present state) will be in the running guys. Hate on Kobe all you want and make less of what he's done but surely the basketall knowledge in all of you that you claim you have will tell you this team has the moxy to do what it needs to do, albeit a 31-33 year old Kobe.
The Lakers will be hanging around for a while. Guaranteed LOB? Who knows... But the 2008-2009 LOB is not their last one.
Yeah, bashing aside. Of course Kobe has still thunder in him, he proves that game after game and of course he still is compe ive. But, I just think Lebron is better in many ways, on both ends, he can do everything and the athleticism the guy has is amazing. plus Lebron has still a longer bright future in front of him.
Last edited by Bukefal; 01-22-2010 at 11:43 AM.
Kobe is in the position Shaq was in 2003, 2004.
LeBron is the younger, bright future ahead of him player, and Kobe is now the 31 year old, aging, slowing and declining player
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