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    I have been contemplating starting to read presidential biographies. Do you have any suggestions on which one to start with?
    I started with McCoullough's Adams. That got me really interested in Madison and less interested in Jefferson. I read Kethem's (sp) Madison. This one is pretty dry but I think he gives a really good preview of the young life of Madison and how it influences him at the cons utional convention.

    I could not put down H.W. Brands. It was like Adams, I read it in about a week. Those were the great ones, the Lincoln that I just finished was great but the author's name escapes me. What I found most interesting in that book was how much most northerns did not want slavery to end. In fact, Lincoln wanted to colonize the slaves in central america, it wasn't until Grant took over as general that Lincoln started preaching abolition.

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    Very coherent. I don't think he is trying to tie in our system so much as he is trying to tie in the movements.
    I think it is all about the money and maybe the power second. I do not believe Obama truley cares that much about the progressive movement. Just my opinion though.

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    Brands was a decent lecturer. I guess I need to check out one of his books, but the popularity disturbs me.

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    This reminds me of this really good analysis this Boston sports radio station did about Yankee fans. I heard it once, it was wicked awesome.

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    Well, at least the wing-nuts are willing to admit now that liberal Progressives exist...I remember before the 06 election defeat they just labeled everyone a anti-war, Cindy Sheehan loving, anti-capitalists, e-ba-ya singing socialists....still, the fact that they think that Hillary is a progressives just goes to show that wing-nuts like Beck still have a lot to learn about real Progressives..

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    Well, at least the wing-nuts are willing to admit now that liberal Progressives exist...I remember before the 06 election defeat they just labeled everyone a anti-war, Cindy Sheehan loving, anti-capitalists, e-ba-ya singing socialists....still, the fact that they think that Hillary is a progressives just goes to show that wing-nuts like Beck still have a lot to learn about real Progressives..
    Hillary called herself a progressive.

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    Hillary called herself a progressive.
    She tried to associate herself with the Progressive movement after she read the tea leaves, that doesn't make her a Progressive - Hillary is way to pro-business for that - She is more like Ben Nelson and Joe Liebermann in many ways than Obama...

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    Hillary called herself a progressive.

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