The Spurs aren't affected one way or another by this trade, IMO. If the Spurs can't generate some momentum from the Denver game, it doesn't matter when they're watching from the lottery. If they can turn it around, then all they need are some wiser lineup choices and they'll be fine against anyone. Mark Cuban loves trading his baseball cards this time of year, but it's motion without direction.
Depends on if Holt wants to go balls out for a le (again), or just try to maintain the losses he has right now and not blow them up further. Obviously I'd prefer the former, but I'd have no problem with the latter after the way he and the rest of the ownership group stepped up to give this team what should be (have been?) another shot at a le.
Remeber they'll be Mavs from now on. Ergo..PO chockers
Dallas media is reporting it as Howard + Gooden + Singleton + Ross for Haywood, Butler, and Stevenson.
The Butler part doesn't matter to me..it's an upgrade, but Butler isn't a player I worry about..it's that they get Haywood too that sucks, and it also makes it worse because a lot of us wanted him here, even though we probably don't have the pieces(and don't want to take back Stevenson)..
I wanted Haywood on the Spurs.
If that is the trade then it is a great trade for Dallas.
Yep we are f'ed again, once again a bad year turns worse, and this after out big win in Denver! It goes from a somewhat positive to worse now! I swear can we catch a break this year?
huge upgrade in the middle for bigD and butler for howard is just gravy
lets hope haywood fails his physical because of an irregular heart beat.
Yep we are fukked once again, we were only 1 and 1/2 back of a struggling Mavs team, now we are going to be further back if they get better and forget about winning htis division here! This is not good news here unless we make a good deal too, otherwise we are easily 2nd best in the conference and a 5th or 6th seed (Dallas in round one that means). Man this just keeps getting worse for us
The Haywood part of trade makes no sense for Wiz-- trading an expiring
for other expirings.
The Spurs can counter this getting Salmons and Thomas
If the Spurs are actually that bad, then they wouldn't have beaten LA, so it really doesn't matter.Yep we are fukked once again, we were only 1 and 1/2 back of a struggling Mavs team, now we are going to be further back if they get better and forget about winning htis division here! This is not good news here unless we make a good deal too, otherwise we are easily 2nd best in the conference and a 5th or 6th seed (Dallas in round one that means). Man this just keeps getting worse for us
Yes but to be beaten out BY DALLAS in the playoffs two years in a row would hurt bad, their fans would talk forever on it! Especially if we were healthy! Are we that bad? I don't think we are, but seriously if they don't get it together soon nor make a trade for someone then it's curtains for us this year, in which I thought we could compete for another le at the beginning of it.Thats a flat out dream and speculation now, otherwise we stand pat and Dallas gets better, and they already were a problem to us BIGTIME!
Iguodala wouldn't be an answer for the Spurs. Below average outside shooting and can't create a quality shot on his own when defenses lock down.
From a Spurs fan perspective, the smaller deal with just Howard and Butler both improves the Mavs overall and makes tham an easier opponent for SA given how well Howard works to remind the FO that they should have drafted him every time he plays SA.
The bigger trade? Haywood is an upgrade over Damp and Gooden for sure.
Camby? nahhhh
Exactly. Instead of getting better offers, Ernie Grunfeld just got bent over.
If the Wiz are going to ever get better, he needs to go.
damn wtf
Ill miss Smokey against SAS but him whenever he plays another team.
Igoudala is the player they wish Jefferson turned out to be, and Dalembert would give them a legit big man to pair with Duncan. It would be the best option out there that has been brought up in terms of talent acquisition, but it's a pipe dream.
The problem I see is that Philly has made it clear that they want more than cap relief for Igoudala - so it will likely take Manu + Jefferson + Splitter's rights + ?.
I agree on both points. Iggy's play is what RJ's should have been.Depends on if Holt wants to go balls out for a le (again), or just try to maintain the losses he has right now and not blow them up further. Obviously I'd prefer the former, but I'd have no problem with the latter after the way he and the rest of the ownership group stepped up to give this team what should be (have been?
And you can't really fault ownership for stepping up and putting up the money to build a contender. It just didn't work out; not for a lack of trying. I know alot of you hate RJ but at the time, it sure sounded great. Nobody knew Dice and Ratliff would turn 40 overnight and that RJ would play like Luke's worse half.
Dalembert is so-so. However, he's an upgrade for the Spurs and provides the Spurs with younger depth. One of the major problems with the Dice & Ratliff acquisitions is that age actually caught up with them.
Iggy's a no-brainer but his long, long, long contract and yet another RJ like player may be redundant unless RJ is included in the deal (doubtful but possible since he's only signed until next year). The talent in return is a legitimate question. I'd think the Sixers would require no less than Big Hill or Beast and maybe even both.
Last edited by Allanon; 02-13-2010 at 03:58 AM.
That's a damn great trade for Mavs. Haywood and Dampier will allow them to play 48mpg with a very good defensive center. Their defense will be significantly better after that trade. Butler is also a nice upgrade over Howard who struggled to be back at a good level.
Mavs and Nuggets aren't that far from the Lakers. Let's hope Spurs will also do a trade that put them closer to the true contenders.
can't wait for Josh LBJ against the Spurs Howard get traded away... GTFO
Congrats Dallas. You finally get what you need to defeat LA.
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