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    Really out of place is the reference to the salary structure over which the Spurs and Tim had no control.
    Bull it's out of place. Timmy got screwed because of the time he happened to come up. Kevin Garnett got a anic contract even though he was barely contributing simply because he wasn't smart enough to get into college. Timmy's probably lost a hundred million dollars based simply on that. The fact that he was willing to take more than a third less than he could have just for the good of the team becomes a huge sacrifice, and shoud be noted for what it is.

    After all the talk that David Robinson was going to take a pay cut so the Spurs could sign more players, he instead threw a hissy fit and the entire Spurs organization had to go coddle him while Derek Anderson got more and more bitter.

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    Not so much trade him because of his contract for stingy reasons but to trade him because of his contract because he isn't worth what he's being paid.
    That doesn't make any sense. Regardless that it's too much for his performance, the value is still tied to the asset and the Spurs are going to have to give up even more to move it or just sit on it until the summer when it suddenly has some value.

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    The Mavs have made a bunch of trades as have many teams, and they still haven't won a le. The Spurs have done things their way for some time and if 4 les in 10 years isn't successful what is? The franchise has gotten older, his sidekicks are getting older and more beat up, everything comes to an end. For my part I am amazed that Pop and RC have held it together for such a long time.
    That's a load of bull . The Spurs are in the position they are now because the FO didn't do anything to improve the team in the 2007 off-season while the rest of the league passed us by. Doesn't help that some of their decisions have come back to haunt them(trading Scola for nothing).

    Look at the Lakers. A few months after winning the 'ship they added Ron Artest to put themselves over the top. The Spurs, on the other hand, stood pat after the '07 championship.

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    That's a load of bull . The Spurs are in the position they are now because the FO didn't do anything to improve the team in the 2007 off-season while the rest of the league passed us by. Doesn't help that some of their decisions have come back to haunt them(trading Scola for nothing).

    Look at the Lakers. A few months after winning the 'ship they added Ron Artest to put themselves over the top. The Spurs, on the other hand, stood pat after the '07 championship.
    First off, you can't help but cut the Spurs FO a LITTLE slack after sweeping their way through the NBA finals. , the Spurs didn't look too terrible during their '08 PO run.

    Secondly, you simply can't compare the two franchises. For ALL of SA's success, it's STILL SA. LA has a draw that most teams can only dream of. Artest was practically BEGGING to come to LA. It took no maneuvering from the Lakers.

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    That's a load of bull . The Spurs are in the position they are now because the FO didn't do anything to improve the team in the 2007 off-season while the rest of the league passed us by. Doesn't help that some of their decisions have come back to haunt them(trading Scola for nothing).

    Look at the Lakers. A few months after winning the 'ship they added Ron Artest to put themselves over the top. The Spurs, on the other hand, stood pat after the '07 championship.
    Typical spoiled and whiny spurs fan. Come on man, like Fpoonsie said, you can't blame a team for wanting to give it another go after they easily reached the finals with no problems at all, and swept the eastern conference champions. Plus, San Antonio really was a healthy Ginobili/fully rested team short of a finals appearance, and potential championship.

    For all the bad (Scola, missing out on Howard, etc..) there have been goods (Parker, Manu, and more recently, Hill and the Jefferson trade, despite how it turned out it was a steal at first). They've done what they can with a small market team, don't even try to compare the Lakers to the Spurs

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    howard is just as injury prone as manu

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    That's a load of bull . The Spurs are in the position they are now because the FO didn't do anything to improve the team in the 2007 off-season while the rest of the league passed us by. Doesn't help that some of their decisions have come back to haunt them(trading Scola for nothing).

    Look at the Lakers. A few months after winning the 'ship they added Ron Artest to put themselves over the top. The Spurs, on the other hand, stood pat after the '07 championship.

    Completely agree. I was so upset watching the front office completely bumble their way around like a bunch of idiots that summer, while the apologists basically made pathetic excuses. I'm convinced the brains behind the Spurs operation is now sitting in Oklahoma City, managing a better team.

    Duncan has no one to blame but himself for putting so much trust in Popovich et al.

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    i know bonner gets a lot of around, but he in fact helps the offense by leaving the paint open for duncan to go to work and tony to drive the lane. Plus, when he is on, he is a pretty good shooter from beyond the arc. Defensively, he's a liability. So, ya, i think he is still important part of the team whether people in here like to admit or not.
    cough cough

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    That's a load of bull . The Spurs are in the position they are now because the FO didn't do anything to improve the team in the 2007 off-season while the rest of the league passed us by. Doesn't help that some of their decisions have come back to haunt them(trading Scola for nothing).

    Look at the Lakers. A few months after winning the 'ship they added Ron Artest to put themselves over the top. The Spurs, on the other hand, stood pat after the '07 championship.
    The 2007 off season was a big mistake by the front office. They acted as if other teams would not improve and they could just trot out basically the same exact team and win again. Many here including timvp supported what the spurs did. I remember arguing that it was not a smart strategy to not try to upgrade the team.

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    Typical spoiled and whiny spurs fan. Come on man, like Fpoonsie said, you can't blame a team for wanting to give it another go after they easily reached the finals with no problems at all, and swept the eastern conference champions. Plus, San Antonio really was a healthy Ginobili/fully rested team short of a finals appearance, and potential championship.

    For all the bad (Scola, missing out on Howard, etc..) there have been goods (Parker, Manu, and more recently, Hill and the Jefferson trade, despite how it turned out it was a steal at first). They've done what they can with a small market team, don't even try to compare the Lakers to the Spurs
    San Antonio's success is rooted in lottery luck not so much by brillant front office moves.

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    Hopefully this trade talk will work for Jefferson like it worked for Barry when we tried to deal him for J.R. Smith. I think this is the only reason they let it leak that they have been shopping him.

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    San Antonio's success is rooted in lottery luck not so much by brillant front office moves.
    Like the luck to select 28th, 57th and 37th and build multiple championship teams? Thank god the Spurs have been that lucky!

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    Wow...I have even more respect for Timmah than I did before. No matter how much money you make giving up what is essentially appears to be 25% of salary for the good of the organization is pretty stunning in today's world.

    I wouldn't begrudge him getting what he was worth at all. That he was willing to take such a paycut should really endear the organization to him and his fans. Good dude.

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