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    Sounds nice. Do you like it there, 101A?
    I do miss some things about Texas - most food related - but I really enjoy living in a small town - bought myself a ton of time with the family by moving away from SA.

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    Don't like the idea at all.

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    It all depends on the curriculum.

    My oldest is in 10th grade; already got a handle on Trig and Statistics; been introduced to Calc; has written more significant papers (for high school 8+ pages) than I did my entire career; has a strenuous AP history course; and a pretty rigorous Chemistry course w/lab. I've discovered now that I'm witnessing it, that much of what is conventional wisdom about education in this country is actually hyperbole.

    Didn't believe it would be so, but it is.
    It is that way here on the NW side of San Antonio. Public schools are fine. Go into a poor urban school though and things totally change. A bunch of remedial courses and nothing for the gifted to enroll or learn in.

    Anyways, the premise of less schooling is good. I'd like to see replacing the last 2 years with a possibility of vocational schooling, if the student chooses to do so. An HS degree alone is useless, so the remedial kids get nothing out of forced public schooling. If you give them a chance though to take classes in mechanics or welding or whatever, then they can get out of the system with an actual skill, instead of a shaky foundation in a bunch of courses that they bombed.

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    It looks like elitism and "unequal opportunity" to some, but I strongly agree an enhanced vocational option would be to the good.

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    I do miss some things about Texas - most food related - but I really enjoy living in a small town - bought myself a ton of time with the family by moving away from SA.
    That's really awesome. Cheers to that.

    What do you notice about the people in comparison with Texas?

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    Don't like the idea at all.
    otoh, one can easily imagine the suggestion to shorten high school for high acheivers becoming a generic bureaucratic mandate to push students out of the system even faster regardless of their acheivement.

    Instead of accelerating delivery of the curriculum, you just accelerate social promotion and shortchange the student. It could unfold that way too, ploto.
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    Anyways, the premise of less schooling is good. I'd like to see replacing the last 2 years with a possibility of vocational schooling, if the student chooses to do so. An HS degree alone is useless, so the remedial kids get nothing out of forced public schooling. If you give them a chance though to take classes in mechanics or welding or whatever, then they can get out of the system with an actual skill, instead of a shaky foundation in a bunch of courses that they bombed.
    +1

    more vocational schooling.

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    American schooling is designed to limit the participation of teenagers in the labor force and, in general, real life. It also serves the purpose of fostering loyalty to the state and creating a dependable and dependent body public, for both corporate and governmental masters.

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    That's really awesome. Cheers to that.

    What do you notice about the people in comparison with Texas?
    There's a state school here of about 12,000 so academic types notwithstanding, small town people are pretty much the same - although there is pretty rampant myopia here, surprisingly - there are many people who've never been out of the state - and we're within a few hundred miles (next door by Texas standards) of so many different ones - I'm within 500 miles of half the population of the US.

    Another difference - very little racial diversity. 90 percent white. There's some more, but I'm on a mobile - tired of typing.

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    Eh, thanks for replying at all to an idle request for gossip.

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    it's so colleges can recruit blue chip athletes earlier

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    it's so colleges can recruit blue chip athletes earlier
    that would be strange to see kids use up their 4 years of eligibility before the age of 21.

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    It all depends on the curriculum.

    My oldest is in 10th grade; already got a handle on Trig and Statistics; been introduced to Calc; has written more significant papers (for high school 8+ pages) than I did my entire career; has a strenuous AP history course; and a pretty rigorous Chemistry course w/lab. I've discovered now that I'm witnessing it, that much of what is conventional wisdom about education in this country is actually hyperbole.

    Didn't believe it would be so, but it is.

    Also should be pointed out that we live in a small town in Western PA - not some affluent suburb or anything like that; middle of the road socio-economically.
    Well, since Winehole conveniently provided a link to this thread; just bumpin, and braggin on my boy referenced above.

    Got a "5" on the AP US History exam.

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    I've discovered now that I'm witnessing it, that much of what is conventional wisdom about education in this country is actually hyperbole.
    Exactly. If a kid wants to learn the resources to do so are there in any public school, at least in TX....the key to good teaching is reaching different types of learners, the kinetic, the auditory, the visual...the right brain and left brain thinker, the ESL and Bi-lingual, the ADD/ADHD...

    ...teachers make their money...

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    Exactly. If a kid wants to learn the resources to do so are there in any public school, at least in TX....the key to good teaching is reaching different types of learners, the kinetic, the auditory, the visual...the right brain and left brain thinker, the ESL and Bi-lingual, the ADD/ADHD...

    ...teachers make their money...

    Not trying to pick a fight, Dan, but:

    At the end of the current CBA, the teachers in this District's STARTING salary, with a BA (including all elementary school instructors) will be over $70K.

    That's 14 grand higher than tenure track professors at the local university.

    At some point the cliche you cited becomes strained.

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    Well, since Winehole conveniently provided a link to this thread; just bumpin, and braggin on my boy referenced above.

    Got a "5" on the AP US History exam.
    Bully on your boy, 101A. As I recall, that test isn't too easy. All essays.

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    Bully on your boy, 101A. As I recall, that test isn't too easy. All essays.
    Half multiple choice - half essays (graded by professors, not teachers). But, yeah, it is supposed to be difficult. Kid just saved me $$$ - don't have to pay for that class, now.

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    Not trying to pick a fight, Dan, but:

    At the end of the current CBA, the teachers in this District's STARTING salary, with a BA (including all elementary school instructors) will be over $70K.

    That's 14 grand higher than tenure track professors at the local university.

    At some point the cliche you cited becomes strained.

    I can assure you that this is not the case in most states..plus, teaching is not a 9 to 5 job, more like a 5 to 9 job...I guess it depends on the demand for good teachers in your area...

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    I can assure you that this is not the case in most states..plus, teaching is not a 9 to 5 job, more like a 5 to 9 job...I guess it depends on the demand for good teachers in your area...
    Sure have nice vacation benefits though.

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    I can assure you that this is not the case in most states..plus, teaching is not a 9 to 5 job, more like a 5 to 9 job...I guess it depends on the demand for good teachers in your area...

    Remeber, this is union country. The District is OVERemployed; high school teachers teach 4 - 5 classes (out of 7) per day - plenty of available teachers - the local university turns out a lot of teachers. The union is powerful; the school board doesn't want a strike; they cave. Teachers are scolded by the Union consistently for working above and beyond the CBA. Seriously, it's a pretty cushy gig.

    For comparison NISD starts at 45K now, I think.

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    70k for a ing teaching position not at the college level?

    Thats ing insane, IMO.

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    And 101, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, IMO.

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