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Kansas has been sending some quality guys to the pros under Self. Henry is probably a top 10-15 pick, but if he is there at 20, he is definitely worth a strong look.
Actually, the Spurs would be best off to find a balance between adding youth to the roster while still being able to contribute sooner than later.
By the time Henry is ready to contribute, Duncan will be retired.
Obviously he has a decent ceiling, my pointing out of his flaws was in response to your statement that you couldn't understand why he was in danger of falling to 20 - - - that's why.
Kansas has been sending some quality guys to the pros under Self. Henry is probably a top 10-15 pick, but if he is there at 20, he is definitely worth a strong look.
whoever the Spurs draft, it will be more of a move for the time after Tim than for the next 2 or 3 years. including Splitter the top 8 spots in the rotation are set anyhow. and very likely we will see at least one veteran signing, who will be ahead of the pick in the rotation either.
if this pick is expected to help significantly in the next 2 seasons, Spurs need to trade him for a ready player. period.
(I asked in the other thread what people would think about a trade of the #20 pick for Rudy Fernandez, something the Blazers might be willing to do in the current situation with him wanting out)
i'd also be worried that he didn't show up for most of their big games. he got off to a great start, but when teams didn't double off him to help on aldrich and collins, his numbers really tapered off.
Not really (at least not yet).
Brandon Rush has been okay, and he's the big breadwinner of the group. Chalmers had a solid rookie year, but took a step back this season. Darrell Arthur and Julian Wright have to be viewed as disappointments at this juncture. Wayne Simien and Darnell Jackson are never weres.
The last thing the Spurs need to do is give up a very attractive, mid 1st- round draft choice - especially to a team is already loaded with a dearth of young talent. In addition, your choice of player is also suspect for several reasons:
- The Spurs are in desparate need of quicknees, youth and athleticism at a couple of spots (SF & PF). While he is young, Fernandez doe nothing to addtess the Spurs most pressing, specific needs, in those areas. Now, if you want to target Nicolas Batum or Jeff Pendergraph, there could be a conversation there.
- Unless it's a team that is devoid of a 1st round pick, what is the incentive for any team, specifically the Blazers, to make a trade with the Spurs? The Blazers already have a late 1st round pick (#22 in the round). While I'm sure they are looking to move up, I don't think the possibility of moving up 2 spots would be attractive to them.
- Another reason against Fernandez, he plays a position (SG), that the Spurs already have a logjam.
- The Spurs can and should continue to build on the young core (Blair, Hill, Mahinmi, Hairston, Temple, Gee) they are developing by adding another player that best suits an immediate need.
- The Spurs need to ensure they have a players ready to step in within the next season. This would help avoid a total bottom-out and enable them to at least "reload" on the fly.
Also, I couldn't disagree more with your premise that whoever the Spurs draft "it will be more of a move for the time after Tim than for the next 2 or 3 years". Have you not been watching the exploits of both Blair and Hill? Both have become immediate contributors and emerging, rotation players.
If the Spurs were able to select a SF like Paul George or Xavier Henry, for that matter, who is young, athletic and is a stellar perimeter shooter (a skill that easily translates to the next level), he could easily help them. Of course, he wouldn't start, but he'd be a wonderful backup to RJ - not to mention his eventual replacement.
The Spurs FO has a good track record for selecting players with the right talent level and mindset to fit their program. I would trust them in making this selection, as opposed to gambling on a player who is already unhappy in his current situation.
Last edited by SenorSpur; 05-20-2010 at 08:32 AM.
jesus. what's your problem???
why do you think I posted about 3 times more posts about possible draft targets and draft scenarios than any other member here?
because I hope/think/wish the Spurs should trade the pick?
however, there is (and always will be) a chance that the FO use the pick for a trade.
you don't need to explain that a #20 pick is pretty attractive, especially in a draft with significant depth in a department of need. I guess all regulars in the think tank share this estimation.
guess what. an attractive pick for us might also look attractive for other teams and if there is one thing any GM in the league knows, it's that RC and Pop are always open to talks about a Spurs pick. so they get their calls, book it.
one fact we can't deny is this:
the current roster plus the unsigned draft picks form two groups. a nice core of 25 years and under players (Hill, Blair, Splitter, DeColo, Ian, Hairston, Gee, Temple) and a big core of 30+ veterans (Tim, Manu, RJ, Dice).
you see what's missing????
start of the next season only player between 26 and 30 is Tony.
you know what they call a players prime?
got the idea?
about RF. he was just a possibility. a realistic possibility (likely on the block, low salary, easy to put in a trade scenario, former 24 pick, talent equivalent to a #20 pick, etc.)
why not discuss? name other possible targets and I will be happy to discuss them either.
sorry, to call RF a suspect idea is pretty ridiculous. we need to replace Mason and likely won't re sign Bonner. and 3pt shooting was one of our week departments this PO. you say Spurs wouldn't be interested in a player like Rudy? tell you what. there are quite some members with nice bb knowledge here who disagree with you.
btw. I could live well with a pick like George. but sorry, to assume he can come in and contribute right away is as naive as naive can be. George will struggle on defense and therefore not get big minutes from Pop. Blair, who is light years ahead in terms of strengths and a significant NBA level quality (rebounding) didn't get more than the 9th spot in the rotation because of his defensive shortcomings. (and wasn't part of the regular PO rotation)
if George is picked, he is the prototype of a pick for the future!
Whatever dude. I didn't read your other 3 posts (and don't need to).
I'll make my final, and most important counterpoint against your case of trading the pick for a player - the Spurs are over the cap. Meaning they will need to fill out the end of the roster with young, cheap talent.
Young, newly drafted players taken in the mid-to-late round are usually cheaper than free agents.
You cannot stockpile a bunch of SGs while the SF and PF position still suck. It absolutely makes not sense.
RF, in addition to all the other reasons I've listed as to why he's NOT a good get, will soon be up for a new contract. The Spurs have no financial flexibility.
Internet tough guy alert--don't with a dude w/ an insecurity complex, a keyboard, and an at ude that says ' you mean, cold world I'm making this straight for tough guys like me one thread at a time'
well, sometimes it would help to read some posts of other members (not just mine), might help to get some in depth information. would also help to avoid arguing by all those run of the mill arguments. we are over the cap? wow really! late fist rounder are cheaper than most FAs. oh thanks. who would have thought.
Rudy Fernadez salary 2010-11: 1,246,680.-
standard rookie salary for the #20 pick: 1,134,500.-
why do you think I choose Fernandez as an example for a possible trade option? because I might have thought about cap implications?
hm. guards under guaranteed contracts for 2010-2011: Parker, Ginobili, Hill.
ah yes. 3 men. so that's a stockpile.
no team would ever think about adding a 4th, even less a 5th guard to such an abundance of guards. every team would pass in this situation.
he is up for a new contract 2012. that year Spurs will have a boatload of what you call financial flexibility.
dude, it's ok that you refuse to read other posts, but do you ever check any Spurs related facts?? I mean, you look like Otto explaining intelligence work to Wendy Leach.
It's comforting to see that you're not the only poster that corners the market on short-sighted suggestions.
If you can't handle someone disagreeing with your position, that's on you.
By the way, I didn't say I don't read other posts. I simply have no interest in wading through yours to better understand your opinions. It aint that important.
Dude, let's just agree to disagree.
now that's funny. really funny. almost talking about schizophrenia.
first you take the time to wright a novel to lecture a post of mine, ignoring what the starting point was, playing opinion police telling me that how odd it is to even bring up the possibility that the Spurs might think about trading the pick.
then you take the time to back up you statement with some clueless nonsense to explain your opinion to me, but tell me that you don't read my posts, because they are meaningless for you.
and call me the one who doesn't accept a different opinion!
kid, remember how this started? you were the one to call my proposal (which wasn't even a proposal, it was a question to get estimations about the possibility of a scenario) expendable.
btw. I'll be happy to see you disagree with whatever I write. looking at your knowledge level it would become kind of a quality indicator.
I fully expect RC to explore options with the 1st round pick - whatever that may be. That's a given. However, I believe it was K-State Spur who indicated earlier that perhaps the best option for the Spurs is finding that balance between adding youth for the long-term versus a player that can contribute immediately. An approach I agree with.now that's funny. really funny. almost talking about schizophrenia.
first you take the time to wright a novel to lecture a post of mine, ignoring what the starting point was, playing opinion police telling me that how odd it is to even bring up the possibility that the Spurs might think about trading the pick.
then you take the time to back up you statement with some clueless nonsense to explain your opinion to me, but tell me that you don't read my posts, because they are meaningless for you.
and call me the one who doesn't accept a different opinion!
kid, remember how this started? you were the one to call my proposal (which wasn't even a proposal, it was a question to get estimations about the possibility of a scenario) expendable.
btw. I'll be happy to see you disagree with whatever I write. looking at your knowledge level it would become kind of a quality indicator.
However, I'll go back to my point on the surprising contributions of Hill and Blair, as proof that if an organization, as intelligent as the Spurs, make the right choices in the draft, the rookie ROI can sometimes be realized sooner than we think.
As far as your original proposal, IMO, it was your choice of player left something to be desired. The point is if you're going to have that discussion on trading the pick, it'd better be to address a specific need - again that is SF or PF. Rudy is a good player, but one with redundant skills at a position, where there is already a logjam.
Don't get so overly-sensitive because someone counters a point you made. After all, it's just mindless internet banter between "armchair" GMs.
Last edited by SenorSpur; 05-20-2010 at 12:50 PM.
BTW I can see the spurs trading the pick tbh. I can imagine Spurs FO not being fan of giving guarranted money to a late first round pick
Last edited by Brazil; 05-20-2010 at 01:09 PM.
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Non-news, as what's he supposed to say, but it's a direct quote, nonetheless.
Not that I have an informed opinion about this guy's intellect one way or the other, but do most true smart and articulate guys go around saying, "I'm smart. I'm articulate." ? IMO, you should just go about your business, and if you're truly articulate, it should easily bear itself out in the process.
It's just, really, what's he supposed to say?
Maybe all the questioning of his maturity, intellect and/or character is warranted but there's really nothing you can say that's going to change that for the positive. Maybe a little better ... but it's something that has to be done on the court and through his actions.
But I do agree. It's almost entering the LeBron, "There ain't no one more humble than me," (or something to that effect) realm.
I'd trade the 20th pick for Rudy in a heartbeat. It's fantasy land to expect more from guys like Henry ( extremely optimistic to be there at 20 ), Pondexter, George, Robinson, etc. than from a guy like Rudy Fernandez in the immediate future - the next couple of years.
You're right. It sounded odd. Almost as if his agent told him to play up his IQ or something.
Xavier Henry
How do you think you’ll try to take advantage of the style of play in the NBA, when it comes to the strict enforcement of the hand-checking rule?
I’m going to play my regular game. I’m a shooting guard. I’m a perimeter player, obviously. I like to shoot. I like to drive it, but I also do everything else. I always show 100% effort and I’m always enthusiastic. I think any team would like that, instead of just a knuckle-headed kid. I’m actually smart. I like playing the game. I can definitely help a team.
What are some things that you do as a player that people don’t know enough about?
That they don’t know? It seems like they know everything. *laughs*
I don’t know. They just want to come away with … I show effort in every part of the game, not just my offense. I play defense as hard as I can, I go for loose balls, I do everything I can to help the team win. I’m not just a one-dimensional player.
How did Bill Self, your coach at Kansas, help you develop as a player?
He helped prepare me to make sure to give 100% effort all the time in all facets of the game, not just focusing on one part of my game. Everyday in practice, when we’re doing these drills [at the combine], focus on that as hard as I can, then when I move to the next thing, be able to adjust and focus on something else. He made the game come a lot slower to me. I was more aware on offense and defense, my positioning [on the court], and where I should be at. I think he helped me a lot with that.
What teams did you work out for?
Just Chicago.
Do you feel you’re more conducive to playing an up-tempo style of basketball or more in a half-court setting?
I can play either one. I’m just … I’m aggressive. If we’re running up and down, I have the conditioning and cardio, that’s not a problem, to play up and down, attack, and do all that. In the half-court setting, that’s more of a team-oriented type of play setting. That’s how we did it at Kansas. It was a real systematic thing, so I can play either style. There’s no difference.
Do you think Self’s system at Kansas will help you transfer your abilities to the NBA?
Yeah, I had a lot of work on pick and roll plays. A lot of stuff with his system is pick and roll, hi-lo stuff, so I had a lot to work with in his offense so I liked that.
The intelligence and non-knuckle-head thing are definitely talking points being pushed by his "team."
http://www.nbadraft.net/nba-draft-combine-day-1Xavier Henry had easily the best shot among the shooting guards. The ball rolls off his fingers on every shot in a textbook form.
^^
that's what I was talking about 3 days ago.
another +point for Henry from the test: he measured slightly under 6-7 in shoes with an almost 7' wingspan. this are for example pretty much the same numbers like John Salmons, Martell Webster, Andre Iguodala, Josh Childress displayed.
all those players are labeled very good size for SG and sufficient size for SF.
(considering how strong he is, SF will pretty likely become his NBA role)
there is a stout difference between having the best shot (no denying that he has a beautiful release) and being "by far" the best shooter - he wasn't even the best shooting JAYHAWK last year.
he's a nice prospect and should become a decent player over time. i'm thinking doug christie sans the crazy mrs. but, i think you are overselling him a tad (as much as any of us can project an 18 year old who has yet to dominate).
http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/The...hes_a_good_guy
It's strange that Henry "lied" at first by saying he hasn't worked out with Spurs.Kansas SG Xavier Henry expects to be a workout warrior in the coming weeks. He has workouts lined up with teams as high as the Pistons at No. 7, all the way down to the Spurs—who are rumored to be very interested in Henry—at No. 20, unless San Antonio trades up.
“It is going to be busy, but I am getting myself in shape for that,” Henry said. “I had a workout at Chicago. I’ve got Houston, the Spurs, and beginning in June, I will have the Clippers, Utah, Toronto, Detroit. Maybe Memphis. It is going to be a busy time.” ...
Maybe he thought that it could hurt his draft stock, maybe Spurs asked him to keep the workout quiet. If Spurs want him they will need to trade up and it's more costly/difficult to trade up when teams know what player you specifically target. In both scenario, it's a fail.
IMO, if Spurs want to trade up Memphis at #12 could be a good target. Henry not being sure to work out with them could be a sign that they aren't really high on him. They don't need bigmen or SF (if they keep Gay) that will be BPA at #12 and they haven't a first round pick next year. So, #12 for #20 and Spurs 2011 first round pick could make sense.
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