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    DX still has him listed on their 2010 mock.

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    Watching his You Tube vids he has good mobility for a big man with some good footwork on offense and a nice soft hook shot. Can shoot with both hands.

    You know how the Spurs hate to spend first round money on an American when they can draft and stash. DX has him at 23 in first round so he'd probably be there when Spurs pick.

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    Dumbass. It's not genetic, it's just what it is with the particular that is Yao.
    Yeah, if it wasn't a Chinese telling you that generally, all Chinese have shorter arms than Americans and African-Americans. Dumbass. I face many other Chinese than myself, in comparision to European and Americans, we have shorter arms than you all. And it is genetic. We tend to have a squarish wingspan.

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    Yeah, if it wasn't a Chinese telling you that generally, all Chinese have shorter arms than Americans and African-Americans. Dumbass. I face many other Chinese than myself, in comparision to European and Americans, we have shorter arms than you all. And it is genetic. We tend to have a squarish wingspan.
    I apologize for calling you dumbass -- I was letting off steam after a bad day and you didn't deserve it.

    That said, forgive me if I still don't buy it. You're generalizing about the genetic content of a gigantic country which happens to be contiguous (thus sharing genetic information) with Europe. Yao and Yi have longer wingspans than Dwight Howard, who I've never heard accused of having short arms. Neither are Brendan Haywood, but nobody else in the league is, either.

    I'm Mexican. I could generalize that we tend to be short genetically, but there are exceptions to the rule, and it is those exceptions that find themselves playing basketball.

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    He had 10 pts / 11 rbds / 2 blocks in 20 minutes in the first game of the French league Quarter Finals (yes, I know, playing vs Dijon does not mean that much...)

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    I smell a steal.

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    I smell a draft steal for someone.

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    we're already over the luxury tax limit. If we take an American at #20 we have to pay him a guaranteed salary based on a scale. The Spurs have always HATED to guarantee an unproven player's salary and this would be stacked on top of our high team payroll.

    What the Spurs like to do is look for a Euro they can draft and stash if he can't make the team without paying a guarantee. This guy fills the profile.

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    Bad news for Séraphin.

    He injured his knee few days ago and it looks serious. First diagnostic is that he is out for at least 3-4 weeks. He had MRI yesterday to know the exact extend of the injury (it could be a torn meniscus or a MCL) but results aren't known for the moment.

    Even in the best case scenario of 3-4 weeks out, it means that he won't work out with a single team before the draft. Unless some team promise him a first round pick despite that injury, it looks like he will pull out from the draft before June 14th.

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    According to his agent, no decision has been taken for the moment but Séraphin will likely withdraw his name from the draft:
    http://www.lequipe.fr/Basket/breves2...-renoncer.html

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    Bad news for Séraphin.

    He injured his knee few days ago and it looks serious. First diagnostic is that he is out for at least 3-4 weeks. He had MRI yesterday to know the exact extend of the injury (it could be a torn meniscus or a MCL) but results aren't known for the moment.

    Even in the best case scenario of 3-4 weeks out, it means that he won't work out with a single team before the draft. Unless some team promise him a first round pick despite that injury, it looks like he will pull out from the draft before June 14th.
    If he stays in the draft even after this injury, I guarantee you that if he's available at 20, Spurs will draft him.

    Typical Spurs MO to seed rumors about players medical conditions.

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    Why would they draft him if there is a player available who could help now?

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    Why would they draft him if there is a player available who could help now?
    Who do you anticipate may be around at #20 that may help?

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    Who do you anticipate may be around at #20 that may help?
    I'm not sure there will be. I was just responding to this:

    If he stays in the draft even after this injury, I guarantee you that if he's available at 20, Spurs will draft him.
    My point is that there are too many variables to be so sure of that. What if Luke Babbitt or Paul George falls? Somebody like Quincy Pondexter (or Damion James?) may be able to get on the floor right away for his defense. A number of shooters could potentially be available at the SG position, mostly undersized, but still...
    Last edited by BronxCowboy; 06-05-2010 at 09:33 AM.

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    Typical Spurs MO to seed rumors about players medical conditions.
    No, you're wrong.

    It isn't some kind of obscure injury that happens in a workout. This injury happens during a French league game where he banged his knee with another player. He left the game after that and hasn't played with his team since that.

    It's a legit injury, there is nothing strange behind it.

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    It's in French but some words of his agent:

    «Nous sommes rassurés, car ce ne sont pas les ligaments croisés, explique son agent, Bouna N’Diaye, dans L’Equipe. Nous sommes aujourd'hui dans l'observation de l'évolution de sa blessure et on discute avec les équipes NBA. Mais ce n'est jamais facile de drafter un joueur blessé. Aucune décision n'a été prise pour le moment, mais il y a de grandes chances que Kévin attende l'année prochaine

    Basically he is saying they are talking to nba teams but it is not easy to draft an injured player. No decision has been taking but there are big chances to see Kevin waiting next year.

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    No, you're wrong.

    It isn't some kind of obscure injury that happens in a workout. This injury happens during a French league game where he banged his knee with another player. He left the game after that and hasn't played with his team since that.

    It's a legit injury, there is nothing strange behind it.
    as legit maybe as batum's heart problem?

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    as legit maybe as batum's heart problem?
    So because Spurs do a trick around Batum's heart problem, every time a draftee player is injured, it's a fake injury and it's a Spurs move ?

    There is nothing strange around Séraphin injury, it's legit. There is no way it's a fake one. If you want to think there is a "strange" injury, look at Elli0t Williams case.

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    So because Spurs do a trick around Batum's heart problem, every time a draftee player is injured, it's a fake injury and it's a Spurs move ?

    There is nothing strange around Séraphin injury, it's legit. There is no way it's a fake one. If you want to think there is a "strange" injury, look at Elli0t Williams case.
    I'm just saying that there's a high probability its a Spurs move (though I can't rule out that its some other team).

    Yes, the Elli0t Williams case is also su ious.

    So unless you happen to be the team with the inside information, you aren't about to gamble a low first round pick on any of these two players.

    I still cling to the belief however that in 2008, the Spurs first choice was Batum (w/c either the Trailblazers or Spurs were gaming) and we were expecting to get Hill in the second round (the Dragic pick).

    This year, the Spurs have one good pick at 20 and the other would likely be a pick that nobody is expecting (w/c I guess is typical of the 2nd round).

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    I'm just saying that there's a high probability its a Spurs move (though I can't rule out that its some other team).
    I've understood what you're saying and I'm explaining that you that you're wrong and it's just impossible that Spurs or another NBA team is behind Séraphin injury.

    Séraphin injured his knee during a game by banging his knee with another player. Tons of people, in the attendance or who where watching the TV, saw this injury. After the game, he had a MRI to confirm the injury.

    And yes, Batum was Spurs' first choice in 2008. It has been confirmed by multiple sources.

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    I've understood what you're saying and I'm explaining that you that you're wrong and it's just impossible that Spurs or another NBA team is behind Séraphin injury.

    Séraphin injured his knee during a game by banging his knee with another player. Tons of people, in the attendance or who where watching the TV, saw this injury. After the game, he had a MRI to confirm the injury.

    And yes, Batum was Spurs' first choice in 2008. It has been confirmed by multiple sources.
    Yes, maybe injury is legit. However, like I said, if he doesn't withdraw, then I'm su ious.

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    DX twitter:

    Kevin Seraphin is in Treviso getting measured. Came out 6-9 in shoes, 264, w/7-3 wingspan, 9-1 standing reach. Walking normal, knee is fine.
    Perhaps he will stay in after all.

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    Yes, maybe injury is legit. However, like I said, if he doesn't withdraw, then I'm su ious.
    He has been scouted by a lot of teams. He was ranked fairly high in the mock draft. It is not like he is a best kept secret.
    If a team really wants him at the end of the first round why wouldn't they give him some insurance if there is no worry about the injury?
    I don't see a player missing the final (even if it is only the French league) just to avoid being picked too early.
    And as a big man, may be he would be smart to avoid being drafted by "contender" (not sure the Spurs still are).

    For Seraphin, if there is something to learn from the Mahinmi situation, it is probably that athletic player needing PT to learn the game should not play for the Spurs.

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    Cholet has still one game left with the final on June 13th. It's one day before the withdrawal deadline for international player. If Séraphin is healthy enough, he could play this game and gives the best proof this injury isn't serious to NBA teams.

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    Kevin Seraphin is in Treviso getting measured. Came out 6-9 in shoes, 264, w/7-3 wingspan, 9-1 standing reach. Walking normal, knee is fine.

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