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Think of Paul George and be happy.
Ah, Nic Batum...if only...
Think of Paul George and be happy.
And Kobe's PPG has a lot to do with the fact that he's allowed to take 20 shots per game. Of course stats are going to be influenced by the style of play your team has. But this doesn't apply to PER in particular, it applies to stats in general. The good thing about PER is that it rewards quality over quan y.
No stat tells the whole story and PER isn't the exception. Whoever PER does tell a lot more than basically every other stat out-there.PER is a useful stat but it only tells part of the story. People seem to forget this.
Meh, I prefer PER to most other linear-weighted metrics that summarize a boxscore (NBA Eff., WP, WS) but PER can't tell you more than the parts that cons ute it. It's like saying that a medley of Beatles songs tells a lot more about their music than listening to their records.
Of course watching the games will always be the best factor to "tell the whole story".
I wasn't even talking about that. I'd rather look at the components of the PER instead of just knowing the PER number. It takes more time because it's a dozen numbers of so, but it's way more informative. Plus, there are lots of valuable stats readily available these days that PER doesn't even factor.
LOL stat lovers ...
Verejao 5th in league in plus/minus ...
yeah he plays with the best player in the NBA on the BEST team OF COURSE he has great stats ...
Not saying he is NOT a GOOD and VALUABLE player but to have him ranked just below Kobe and over Dirk, Duncan etc shows you that stat is crap ...PER has it's flaws as well ...
Stast are just one indicator you also have to pass the "eyeball" test Verejao good hardworking player same with Batum (though he is better skilled) neither should be 5th n the NBa at anything ...
It's useful if you look at it in proper context..
Varejao isn't one of the top 5 most valuable players in the NBA, but that stat clearly shows how much value he has to his own team..personally, I like looking at +/- to compare players to their own teammates, instead of comparing to other players, because it does depend on the backups as well..
Still, you don't have to look at it in a "ranking system"..that stat DOES show that Varejao is a very valuable player to the Cavs team, and any Cleveland fan can tell you that..that's what you can take from that stat, it doesn't have to be a ranking..
Geez, I'm not even a stat lover and I have no use whatsoever to non-adjusted plus-minus from a single season (adjusted +/- from various seasons I like to look at, although it's not a Holly Grail, like no stat could be), but do you honestly think anyone ranks Varejão as the 5th best player in the league because he ranks 5th in that metric? That's not the reason people collect those stats.
Even the most stats-oriented guys, like Wayne Winston or David Berri, are more level-headed than the anti-stats nutjobs. And it's not close.
You are comparing apples and oranges. Please use some common sense here. Maggette's FG% efficiency has gone way up this season all of a sudden. His FG% is suddenly much higher than it has ever been in his career. This means he is getting more easy opportunities to score, and that's because of the wide open offensive system he is playing in with the Warriors. This also correlates to his PER being a career high.
There is a direct correlation between Maggette getting more easy shots and scoring with increased efficiency in the Warriors offensive system and his PER being a career high. The Warriors style of play has contributed to the high PER Maggette is producing this season.
PER is not just a reflection of the individual player. PER is influenced by many factors. A player can be more efficient and thus have a higher PER based on the team he plays on, the system he plays in, and the players around him.
People think that because player A has a higher PER than player B that means player A is better. If you swapped the two players on their teams the PER numbers could be reversed with player B having the higher PER because he now plays in a system that better suits his skills and because he has teammates around him that compliment his game better. PER reflects a player's efficiency but it also reflects the cir stances he is in.
Last edited by namlook; 03-16-2010 at 07:17 PM.
So why was his PER last season one of the lowest of his career?..He was still playing with the Warriors last year, their system was the same..
Why was his PER with the Clippers always around 19+?..
Why was his shooting efficiency last season with the Warriors lower than the previous 3 seasons with the Clippers?..
Can you show me that playing for the Warriors automatically makes your shooting efficiency higher, just because they play at a fast pace?..
I can buy your theory that Maggette is beign more efficient because of the Warriors' style of play (although it can't be proven) but so what? what PER does is just show you how efficient a player is beign during a season, the reasons for that efficiency are for others to discuss.
Of course PER is influenced by many factors but so are all the other stats, so I don't see what's your problem with it, besides although PER is influenced by many factors the most important of those factors is still the skills or abilities a player has to perform at a certain level, or how else do you explain that Monta Ellis or S.Curry can't have Maggette's PER numbers playing on the same pace and style of play?PER is not just a reflection of the individual player. PER is influenced by many factors. A player can be more efficient and thus have a higher PER based on the team he plays on, the system he plays in, and the players around him.
People think that because player A has a higher PER than player B that means player A is better. If you swapped the two players on their teams the PER numbers could be reversed with player B having the higher PER because he now plays in a system that better suits his skills and because he has teammates around him that compliment his game better. PER reflects a player's efficiency but it also reflects the cir stances he is in.
Who is anti-stats?
I just hate when it is used as the main criteria on who is better ...I prefer " les" but I think BOTH should be factors ...
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