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Players are gonna look bad when they know their coach will bench them after the first shot they miss. Antoni is great at killing the confidence of young players.
How do you know?
Players are gonna look bad when they know their coach will bench them after the first shot they miss. Antoni is great at killing the confidence of young players.
Jordan Hill won't even come close to Al Horford, who, btw, is a ing All-Star.
What's your opinion on AJ Price and Josh McRoberts?
Hill didn't start playing basketball till the middle of high school. He wasn't gonna get better sitting on the bench. He needed time on the court to get used to the NBA. You're talking to two people who watched pretty much all of JHill's college games. The guy was a project in college and get better every game he played. Same thing applies to him in the NBA.
Now how do you "know" Hill will never be anything more than a role player?
comparing Jordan Hill to Josh McRoberts.
Why?
Because he lacks the feel for the game + shot-creation skills + off-hand to be more than that.
I wasn't comparing them. You really struggle at reading comprehension.
Athletic wing vs. traditional big man ... Please don't compare. D'Antoni doesn't know what to do with players like Hill. D'Antoni couldn't figure out how to utilize Kurt Thomas with any consistency, and Thomas was fully established and had skills that fit needs of D'Antoni bigs.
As for the "developed" argument, in the game he was given a shot, he played well given the minutes. He averaged 6 ppg and 4 rpg in the three games he was given double-digit minutes with New York. That was in an average of 13 minutes a game. The difference is the consistency of his minutes. Nobody can look good when they are only being played to be pulled.
He's been playing basketball for a little more than 5 years. Is it impossible for someone as new to the game as he is to get better?
Um, simple logic... How is Jordan Hill gonna get better sitting on the bench?
So the problem now isn't youth but rather position?
Interesting how Lee is having a career season with D'Antoni. Not to mention Stoudemire.
Either you didn't watch the games or your bias is clouding your judgement. I saw most of the games where Hill was getting rotational minutes by the end of December/beginning of January and he was extremely raw/unproductive-to-bad in most of them. He didn't play well at all.
D'antoni was horrible for the development of Amare. Anyone who doesn't realize that is blind. D'antoni turned him into a 1 dimensional pick and roll scorer and never focused on developing him as a complete basketball player.
Everyone has the potential to get better, especially rookies. That's why he can develop into a decent role-player.
Most NBA coaches (and non-NBA coaches) disagree that force feeding raw young players with rotational minutes significantly helps their development. They have practices, they have film sessions, they have the minutes they earn and they have garbage time. And to put together serious improvement, they have the Summer.
Playing time is great for young players who already have put things together to some extent or are very close to it and in that case it sure helps, especially when it comes to defensive readings.
Doing gimmicky things to inflate a players' stats and developing a player are two completely different things. What has Quentin Richardson done since the Suns traded him? D'antoni turned him into a lazy slob who camped 30 feet from the basket and did nothing other than chuck 3's.
LOL, this D'ANtoni hate is ridiculous. Didn't he play Stoudemire? I thought players would develop their skills by playing.
Blaming D'Antoni for Stoudemire lack of defense is idiotic.
I wonder how Suns fans disgruntled with D'Antoni lead with the fact that their team defense only got worse once D'Antoni was fired.
Based on what?
Rookie Year
Horford: 32 mpg, 10 ppg, 10 rpg, 1 bpg
Since joining the Rockets, Hill has played 15+ mpg and is averaging 6 ppg, 5 rpg and 0.5 bpg ... give him Horford minutes, and that is 12 ppg, 10 rpg, 1 bpg.
I don't care if Hill isn't playing 32 mpg, in the games he's played 20+ minutes, his production speaks to his ability. He's averaging 11 ppg and 7 rpg in the six games he's netted 20+ minutes, and is doing such in a 26 mpg average. So his statistics are right on par with Horford when given the minutes. Factor in he's doing this after being thrust onto a new team and one already in playoff contention vs. doing it with the same team from suckdom on up and I think he's showing very good potential. Adelman, as already mentioned, wouldn't be playing him, let alone playing him these minutes if he wasn't able to contribute at the playoff level he requires.
Which basically contradicts everything D'Antoni said in criticism of the kid.
Which basically contradicts every blabber you have made.
So?
I'm not saying he will be an all star. I'm saying it's too early to declare he never will be an all star. Chances are, you're right, he'll never be an all star, but he has the talent to be one. Check his freshman stats at UA compared to his junior stats, the improvement is remarkable, and he still has plenty of room to grow. He's practically a novice to the game.
You probably need some psychiatric help to deal with your traumas with D'Antoni. Wasn't Q-Rich with the Suns for only 1 season? How is D'Antoni responsible for his game? He didn't even changed his game much, he's basically the same player he ever was, only older and more complacent.
He was?
Different levels of skill. Lee was already this, his stats are inflated because of tempo. D'Antoni restricted Amare to strictly PnR. Amare's game is so much more well-rounded without D'Antoni.
By the end of December Hill was demoted. In the month of December, Hill averaged 8 minutes in just two games played, so WTF are you talking about? I follow Hill and all Wildcats as a paid moderator for a UA forum, and while this may speak to my "bias" as you'd put it, such also speaks to my qualifications. I've ripped into plenty of former UA players. Hill NEVER got the chance to be productive in New York, and such was admitted by D'Antoni... GO BACK AND READ THE ARTICLE!Either you didn't watch the games or your bias is clouding your judgement. I saw most of the games where Hill was getting rotational minutes by the end of December/beginning of January and he was extremely raw/unproductive-to-bad in most of them. He didn't play well at all.
Talent
I won't even address the "on a per minute basis and extrapolating from this 20 games sample then he was just as good statistically as this other guy!" argument. We're all grown up here.
You need to make up your mind: either he's developed since the start of the season or D'Antoni hindered his development. You can't have it both ways.
They replaced D'antoni with a bigger idiot (Porter) and a dumber version of D'antoni (Gentry), all the while trading Raja Bell and Boris Diaw. The Suns defense got worse because they made no real commitment to making it better.
It's clear you have zero understanding of D'Antoni.
Anyone who says "D'antoni was fired" instantly shows he dosnn't pay any attention to the Suns and is talking out of his ass.
Evident when he said D'antoni was fired.
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