No NBa team except for the 2004 Pistons have won a le without at LEAST 2 sure-fire potential HOF'ers on their team. Maybe you can argue the Spurs a since 1980 as well ...but i think Manu will get in when both his NbA and international exploits are factored in ...and David was on the first two teams anyways ...
Roy may have a shot but who else on the current Blazers team are you inducting? As curreently cons uted the Blazers wil NOT win a le. Write it down, take a picture of it put in BOLD FACED letters. Unless the Blazers get another bonafide star they will NOT win a le ...
That's a stupid argument, to put it gently. Teams have won les without having 2 HoFers playing at the level that made them HoFers in the first place. If the Cavs win the le this year, are we going to say "oh, they had 2 HoFers, LBJ and Shaq" even though Shaq is nowhere near their 2nd best player? Nosense. In any case, you're clearly forgetting the 94 Rockets, unless you consider a rookie Cassel, Robert Horry or Othis Thorpe HoFers.
First of all if the Cavs win they do have Shaq so it STILL proves my point ...
I did forget the Rockets (man is Hakeem ALSO underrated) but of the last 20 no, 30 years of NBA history you provided 1 additional example and i gave you another.
That sure DOES not refute my argument you actually just proved it dumbass ...
2 out of the past 30 years is only a 6% success rate ... i can even argue without Mj's retirement we would only have one and the Rox ADdED Drexler (proving my point) to get the second one ...
Even if i give you LAST years Lakers (because who knows if Pau makes it ...at this point I say no) that is only 10% ...
So would you rather have at least 2 HOF'ers and have a 90% shot or the 10%?
Even if i buy your argument and concede Lebron wins without one (not counting Shaq) it would be an AMAZING feat.
In fact if you look at players that have led their team to a le without a HOF caliber teammate the list is short in the modern NBA:
Hakeem, Kobe, Duncan that is only 4 champs in the past 30 years (not counting pistons)
...and DO YOU mojogrove ACTUALLY think Roy is in THAT category?
Billups and the pistons but that was the EXCEPTION to the rule a true team effort ...
But I stand by my original statement most le teams have 2 or 3 future HOF'ers ...
1980 Magic/Kareem
1981 Bird Mchale PArish
1983 Moses Doc
1984 Same as 81
1985 Magic Kareem worthy
1986 The Big 3
1987 Showtime again
1988 Ditto
1989 Dumars Isiah
1990 ditto
1991 Mike & Scottie
1992 ditto
1993 ditto
1994 hakeem exception
1995 Hakeem Clyde
1996 Bulls 2nd time
1997 ditto
1998 ditto
1999 Duncan and David
2000 shaq and kobe
2001 ditto
2002 again
2003 Duncan and david
2004 Pistons EXCEPTION (though billups has a shot Wallace and Rip as well) 2005 Spurs Exception? (I thnk manu gets in but debatable)
2006 heat Wade and Shaq (wade is definitely getting in if health allows)
2007 spurs again
2008 Celts boston 3 party (KG, PP and ray)
2009 Lakers EXCEPTION
Again I am not saying it's IMPOSSIBLE if that is the way it came across I may have overstated a bit ... but in the 30 years i have watched my teory has been more right than wrong. and when it has been wrong it was Hakeem and kobe and duncan.
the only way your argument worked was the pistons and ithey have a HOF coach, 4 all-star players and faced a Finals team that imploded due to a war of egos ....not trying to diminish what the pistons did they whupped our ass ... BUT it's better to have HOF level talent if you want a le.
Take away even 1 of your big 3 (like last year) Celts do not win 2 years ago ...
I stand by my statement as cons uted odds are sTRONGLY against Blazers winning a le a HOF'er even a past his prime one would change my mind ...
And using Lebron to further your argument is stupid he is a vERY sPECIAL player with a chance at GOAT status Roy as good as he is ...is not ...
What part of "your argument is stupid" because right now Shaq is nowhere near the level that make him a HoFer (or David Robinson in 2003,etc.) you didn't understand?First of all if the Cavs win they do have Shaq so it STILL proves my point ...
According to you, the Blazers just need to sign Shaq + Ray Allen this off-season and... legit contenders (2 HoFers + 1 probable HoFer + future&past All-Stars + Oden).
Didnt say that. Shaq makes sense because he matches up with Dwight. Even if shaq does little else in the playoffs if he helps limit Dwight who killed the Cavs LAST year ... it will be key to the Cavs le and sTILL proves my point.
As i said if he does little and they still win GREAT we have another example and Lebron begins his quest for GOAT status.
But again I asked you simply do you Think Roy is in Kobe's Hakem's or Duncan's class?
If not, do you think the Blazers can do what the pistons did? they have great talent you can argue even more that THAT pistons team. But that Pistons team was TRULY special and the answer to both questions is no.
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Blazers owner issues statement as GM rumors swirl
By Anne M. Peterson
Portland Trail Blazers owner Paul Allen issued a statement affirming his support of general manager Kevin Pritchard as rumors fly concerning Pritchard’s future with the team.
“I support everyone who works for me, including Kevin Pritchard, and that’s why he’s our general manager,” Allen’s statement said. “We all have the same goal - to bring another NBA championship to the great fans of Portland.”
Last week the Blazers fired Tom Penn, Portland’s vice president of basketball operations, touching off speculation that perhaps Pritchard was next. Penn was considered a salary cap specialist and key to many of Pritchard’s player moves.
The Blazers would say only that Penn was dismissed for “philosophical differences.”
There was further conjecture when agent Warren LeGarie, who represents Pritchard and Penn, made comments to several reporters suggesting Penn’s firing was a message to Pritchard.
Pritchard and Blazers president Larry Miller spoke informally at the team’s practice facility on Monday.
Asked if the organization planned on offering Pritchard a contract extension, Miller said that decision would wait until the end of the season.
“Well, the reality is, the way this organization has worked and the way most organizations work is that you get to the end of the season and you evaluate what’s going on,” Miller said. “We’re going to take that same approach going into this.”
Pritchard, meanwhile, expressed hope he would continue as Portland’s general manager, a position he’s held since early 2007.
“I think it’s been, in some articles, that we’re not connected. That’s not right. I don’t like that. I don’t like when I see things written that aren’t correct. We have a wonderful organization. We’re a family. Do we have bumps in the road? Absolutely. We don’t always agree on everything. I’ve told you guys this. I think what makes a great organization isn’t that you disagree it’s how you come together after you disagree.”
Allen had remained silent on the matter until Thursday, when he put out a statement before Portland’s game against the Dallas Mavericks.
Public sentiment was in Pritchard’s favor. Several online pe ions supporting the Blazers GM have appeared in the past week. One fan at the Rose Garden on Thursday night wore a Blazers’ jersey with Pritchard’s name on the back, another held a sign reading “Don’t Ditch Pritch.”
Pritchard was on a scouting trip and not at the game.
Allen in his statement also reiterated that decisions about personnel will be made after the season.
“We are not going to make any more long-term decisions today. When the season ends we will evaluate how best to move the Trail Blazers forward,” the statement said. “That’s no different than the way we have operated for the past 21 seasons.”
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