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Duncan had 12 rebounds, 6 points, 6 assists, 3 blocks and 2 steals.
Duncan had a ty game, but only THREE PLAYERS have done this all season:
Tim
Lebron
Camby
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...2&order_by=pts
I agree that Tim has been harmed more by trying to man the inside by himself than he would if he played extended minutes next to a compenent big man.
Duncan had 12 rebounds, 6 points, 6 assists, 3 blocks and 2 steals.
Duncan had a ty game, but only THREE PLAYERS have done this all season:
Tim
Lebron
Camby
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...2&order_by=pts
Thank you for steering this topic away....
I think we've been thru this a million times. TD calls himself a PF... and a lot of us like to acknowledge him as a PF.
Tim, poor shooting or not, is always valuable because of his rebounding and threat of scoring (even if not going well) and his ability to guard the rim (at least he's the only one on the team that can actually defend the rim).
Big men that can rebound, shoot a little, and block a few shots, and stay relatively healthy can stay in the league beyond 40. Even if they don't dominate, they are still effective for a reduced role.
So you think the FO has done a good job at getting TD help? Never said "the front office suck" as you seem to be wanting to quote me on, but I have said they have not done a good job.
Yep, I'm leading this.
How about you post something meaningful other then something to help make your epeen grow.
Last edited by Chomag; 03-25-2010 at 02:36 PM.
TD is done.
I agree. This isn't the same 20-10 Duncan anymore. Hopefully Tim gets his mind and IQ right. The passing is perfect. The scoring needs adjustment.
His game isn't done at all, he just isn't a go-to guy anymore..his game will no longer be consistent..some nights we're going to see a vintage performance, and on other nights we'll see the Duncan we saw vs. the Lakers..that's the reality that comes with old age and mileage..
Duncan is one of the best passing big men in NBA history IMO and he's improved his J(although it has sucked in the 2nd half of the season, probably due to not having any lift and being flat), so I'd like to see him play in the high post more often..
Timmy was supposed to be a 3rd or 4th option this season from a scoring perspective..unfortunately with TP's injury, Manu's slow first-half and Jefferson continuing to suck, it has taken a toll..
With Blair rarely ever playing with Duncan, the Spurs don't have a post presence if Duncan doesn't play down there. All this "play him in the high post" talk the past few years sounds great in theory and may be doable next season if Splitter comes over and assuming Blair progresses and plays more, but for right now, that doesn't make much sense.
Duncan (and Gasol, for that matter) isn't really a PF or a C, he's a hybrid type big man. Earlier in his career, when he was more mobile, he was more of a PF, at this point in his career, with him being less mobile, he's more of a C (this is also a commentary on the way the game has changed the past ten years; if you put this Duncan in 90s, he'd probably still play more PF than C), but he's not a true C like an O'Neal, so he needs to be paired with another center sized big who can guard mobile PF's, but also take a turn guarding C's at certain points in games (similar to the role Duncan used to play when Robinson was around).
Maybe they can get one in the draft with Udoh or Sanders or someone of that ilk, but it's doubtful either would be a serious contributor next season. It's also unlikely with their limited resources/assets, that the Spurs could fill that role via free agency or trade. So basically, let's hope Splitter comes over, otherwise this will more than likely continue to be a problem for the duration of the Duncan era.
Oh, I agree that they can't do it consistently, but they have had some success with it even this season..plays like the alley-oop he threw Jefferson against LA..him and TP do it all the time with the 2-man game..it would be nice if we had more slashers to work with him, unfortunately our bigs and rotation wings are all jump shooters that can't play that way..
This team's plays are too simple sometimes..
I also agree that Duncan has to play in the post often or the Spurs become even more of a jump shooting team(which they already are)..it's all about the cir stances, which have killed this team..
Part of the reason I've been lobbying for Mahinmi all year(other than the obvious reasons) is to see some high-low..the guy has his flaws, but he can get up and finish at the rim..Ian and Blair playing high-low in garbage time was sadly one of the most entertaining sequences of Spurs basketball this season IMO, even though that sounds sad..
The Lakers and Celtics do it so well with Perkins/Bynum feeding off of Gasol and KG's passing for easy dunks, it's good basketball(yes, I realize Mahinmi isn't nearly as good as Bynum or Perkins, before one of the Popoligists comes through)..
When Timmy goes through a bad phase, which would be a good to great phase for the vast majority of players, it's amazing how many premature ejaculation posts we suddenly get. The last time we had all these "timmy is old and done" comments, didn't he have two 25+ rebound games in a short span?
That's what annoys me, same with the media..
These fans and media will keep repeating Duncan is done and the Spurs are done a million times, it's been happening since 2006, and once they're finally right, they'll brag about it and act like it was some outrageous prediction..
Its a quick knee jerk reaction. But its not just Timmy. Their have been Manu, parker, Rj, bogans, Bonner, Mason, and Pop phases. If a mod doesn't combine the threads into one, You get a slew of them. Duncan is the Spur of the moment.
don't he have 2 years and 40 million left on his contract? If so, brutality at its best .....
Yes.
18,835,381 for 2010-11
21,164,619 for 2011-12
I agree, from time to time it makes sense.
Mahinmi will probably be a useful rotation player in the league going forward and probably by as soon as next season and this dumb coach isn't even going to find out what the organization has in him, despite the team desperately needing someone with his physical attributes and the fact that they spent a 1st round pick and oodles of time/money developing this guy. Unbelievable.
Watch them draft Udoh or Sanders now (not that I'm against this, seeing as how they won't find out what they have in Mahinmi) and Mahinmi turn out to be, if not better, right in their class. So in essence, if that's the case, it'll have been a wasted 1st round pick.
Even worse, they all leave the door open at the end of their articles, just by the off chance that they're wrong again and this team rises from the dead one more time to at least make a deep run. All this doom and gloom talk and then that, because they want to save face. I'd have more respect for their cliche articles if they just flat out said they're done and left it at that and not worry about saving face.
But the thing that annoys me most about the national media writing about the Spurs is their pretending that Bryant has been the consensus best player in the world for years now. Many of these same idiots called Duncan the best player in the world for the majority of the past decade, yet since the Gasol trade and the subsequent power shirt are pretending as if that never happened. I remember the annual player rankings on a lot of these sites going into 07-08, most of them had Duncan number one even then. Eight months later, they were pretending that he didn't even rank amongst the best players in the league anymore. Just further perpetuating the myth to the casual fan that this has been Bryant's league for the past decade, even though true fans know he's a distant third in that regard.
You overpay for mega-superstars at the end of their careers to get the benefits of their mega-superstar play at the front end of the contract. Four championships later, no Spur fan should be complaining of what Tim is making for the next two years.
Kobe is up for a new contract. And L.A. is going to pay him what he wants for probably the next five or six years. By that time, Kobe will be a s of himself and regularly dunked on by the Lebrons and the Durrants. But that's what you pay for to get Kobe's all NBA production right now.
It's the same with all the other mega superstars, and tragically, some superstars.
Just so there's no confusion, I have no issue with Duncan's salary. I was just answering Ashy Larry's question.
Right. I was just commenting on why mega stars make big bucks when they are in obvious decline. And yes Tim is in decline. Watch videos of him in 2002 and 2003 and you appreciate how truly awesome he was. He's still good but not near as good.
Still if Timmy better conditioned himself he wouldn't have to worry about fatigue as much. He's a skinny old man watching Gasol block him was sad.
David Robinson was the greatest center of all time. Duncan is the greatest power forward of all time.
Matt Bonner is the greatest red headed three point shooting non-rebounding big man of all time.
What the are you saying? Duncan was specifically told by coach Pop not to overwork himself with strength and conditioning over the Summer. That was in hopes that he could work himself into shape through training camp and into the regular season. His responsibilities were supposed to be lessened as well, as he's reaching the twilight of his career, but all those plans didn't matter or changed when Tony got injured and the team relied on Timmy too much and too early in the season.
Timmy's the only ing reason this team is even in the playoff race.
TD, like it has already been said, is a 3rd option. he's clearly second tier now (he's not on Gasol, Dwight, Amare, or Dirk's level). people have to realize that everybody has their time, but also their decline, unfortunately. Duncan's shined bright when it was his time though, brighter than any of those guys ever will.
it's unfortunate. at this point we shouldn't have to see him try and be a second option. he's out of his league (on most nights against good comp.), but he's got to bite the bullet while TP is injured.
If TP can get back and play like last year, and Manu can play the way he's playing, and RJ continues to improve (he's been making strides lately) the team will pose a serious threat in the West. it's a lot that has to happen, but that's still a seriously talented core.
Rem. also with TP back the rotation gets smaller and you see less of Bogans and Mason, both of whom have hurt the Spurs badly this year and will be lucky to have conracts in the NBA next year.
Duncan had to be the first option up untill last month. thats what took the toll on him. he was never a 2nd option until manu finally started to play like himself. IMO it sounds like your counting Duncan out too much. This month has been very hard on him because we have had 17 games this month and last nights game was Duncans 6th game in 9 nights... thats not easy for a 33 year old with bad knees. main thing with duncan is he needs rest... he is not the player he used to be but he is far from being done and he is nowhere near "out of his league".
When he gets the proper rest and gets to recover 2 or 3 days between games it really shows on the court giving him that much needed lift and elevation that he lacks when hes fatigued... and also say what you want but duncan was still our best defensive player on the court last night and holding gasol to 10 points and a horrible game offensively is pretty good for someone who is "out of his league"
Tony definitely needs to come back and come back strong thats obvious at this point and i believe he can do that.
as for RJ, dont hold your breath on that choke artist.
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