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smartcars suck...
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i dont know any hybrids with OnStar* either
smartcars suck...
That is a fallacy. The appropriate comparison would be a Civic hybrid with a conventional Civic, or a Prius with a 4-cylinder Camry.
I do not dispute that purchasing smaller vehicles with smaller engines would be a more economical decision for many consumers. In fact, I stated in my first post in this thread that I believed the trend toward smaller vehicles with smaller engines would be stronger than the switch to hybrids. I encourage you actually to read my posts before you respond to them.
well naturally a hybrid is more expensive by like 2 g's plus you get a TAX BREAK worth almost the full amount
im saying 90% of people who drive tahoes yukons suburbans and escalades have ZERO use for them at all, and 90% of tahoes i see have a small WF driving alone
the fact is thats their right BUT
you just said it would be cheaper for those people to buy a hybrid, thats what i meant and im right
You still don't come out ahead. But some people are willing to pay the premium to feel environmentally conscious or to drive the "state-of-the-art." And a tax deduction is not the same as a tax credit. If you have to worry about the cost of gas, you're probably not in a high tax bracket to begin with, so you're only saving a few hundred in taxes. Or, you have a lot of kids or something, so a sedan, hybrid or not, isn't very practical.
Yes, it would be cheaper to have a compact hybrid than a large SUV. It would be even cheaper to have a conventional compact.im saying 90% of people who drive tahoes yukons suburbans and escalades have ZERO use for them at all, and 90% of tahoes i see have a small WF driving alone
the fact is thats their right BUT
you just said it would be cheaper for those people to buy a hybrid, thats what i meant and im right
The underlying point is, back in the '90s, people could drive 5500 lb. trucks with 330 hp alone to fetch groceries without suffering any real consequences. Now, it puts some strain on the budget, so people's priorities likely will shift from being urban warriors to driving around in more practical and efficient packaging. THAT, and not hybrid technology, is what will raise average fuel economy in this country.
Did you leave out a few "n't"s or "not"s?
Some things to consider:
The tax breaks on hybrids DO NOT make up the entire difference in their cost compared to a regular vehicle.
2005 Honda Accord
Hybrid 4dr Sedan (3.0L 6cyl gas/electric hybrid 5A) $30,655
2005 Honda Accord
LX V-6 4dr Sedan (3.0L 6cyl 5A) $22,665
That is an $8,000 difference! The hybrid trim style is the same as the LX style according to www.edmunds.com . Now I'm not sure how you can make that up in taxes, but you just don't get that much back.
Second is the actual milage issue.
The regular Accord gets 21 mpg / 30 mpg.
The hybrid gets 29 mpg / 37 mpg.
So that savings can be up to 8 mpg under ideal conditions.
If you drive 12,000 miles a year that's ~572 gallons a year. 572 gallons x $2.20 = $1,258.50 for years worth of gas.
12,000 / 29 = ~414 gallons for a year for the hybrid. That's $910.80 in gas for the year with the hybrid.
This gives you a savings of $347.70 for one year of average driving. Now considering the hybrid costs $8,000 more than the conventional Accord, you would have to drive the hybrid for 23 years to actually see a savings at the gas pump.
Even if we would say that there is $4,000 tax break for buying the hybrid, that still leaves 11.5 years before we would experience any savings. This doesn't include any additional costs that are possible with the ownership of a hybrid vehicle.
I think it is much more economical to simply drive in a more eco friendly manner, or add less expensive after market parts that can increase fuel efficiency of most vehicles, while having low up front costs.
It is very possible to get a Tahoe up to 21 and 24 with about $700 worth of add ons.
and i think some have already mentioned that hybrid is going to cost a load to fix!
well the accord hybrid is a joke like i said it was a test of the technology and to show people that "hybrids" can be fast, its a performance car
im talking about the prius by toyota and the civic hybrid by honda
the 2 most popular hybrids
no you cannot, no way in , its not even close to possible
exaust
intake/filter
powerchip
is all you can do an that costs WAY more than 7 bills
You can get a Tahoeto those figures. I have seen it done and run on a dyno.
The most important thing about getting good milage is how you drive. The faster you go over 60 mph, the lower your mpg will be.
The Prius is not a very good hybrid vehicle. It is severly lacking in so many ways it's not even funny. The Civic may get better numbers, but it is smaller than the Accord.
2005 Honda Civic
Hybrid 4dr Sedan (1.3L 4cyl gas/electric hybrid CVT) $21,415 48/47 mpg
2005 Honda Civic
EX Special Edition 4dr Sedan (1.7L 4cyl 4A) $17,980 31/38 mpg
So driving a Hybriid Civic vs. a regular Civic you can save anywhere from 9-17 mpg.
12,000 a year.
12,000/31 = 388 gallons a year x $2.20 = $853.60 a year
12,000/48 = 250 gallons a year x $2.20 = $550.00 a year
Difference = $303.60 a year.
Difference in "upfront" cost = $3425.00
$3425.00 / $303.60 = ~11.3 years till break even.
There is also the 80,000 mile battery replacement warranty limit. That can be an added cost down the road.
Does anyone remember the Honda CRX hf models from the mid to late 80s? Those ers got like 50+mpg. Honda just need to remanufacture those.
Man, those were the days!! I remeber my 7 yr old would just lay down in the back!!!
Diesel's are much cleaner than used to be, and will get even cleaner in the very near future. Sulfur restrictions kick in this summer, and will eventually take on-road diesel down to 15 ppm sulfur.
Diesel's (not talking about monster trucks) are a smart approach - even considering diesel's current premium to gasoline. I believe VW is the only mainstream manufacturer in the US to offer one though (the Jetta TDI).
LOL someone at my high school used to drive one of those, they used to...
oh n/m you beat me to it.haha this kid at my school had a crx
people ed with it daily
4 or 5 people would pick up his car and move it or put it on the football field or something lol
one time they put it on a cement block so he couldnt drive off with it
For around $4,000 you can get a propane retro fit kit for most full size SUVs and pickups. Then you can run on regular gas or propane. It's more flexable than a propane only vehicle.
in money magazine, they showed how you can buy a kit for your diesel car to run on old grease from restaurants.
Yeah, but it leads to overeating because your car smells like McDonalds and you're always hungry.
LOL! but they did say, your car's exhaust smells like wherever you go the oil from! just think if you got the oil from long john silvers! :vomit
ReutersNEW YORK (Reuters) - Standard & Poor's cut General Motors Corp.'s debt ratings to junk status on Thursday in a move that will reduce the automaker's avenues for raising funds as it struggles with global compe ion and rising healthcare costs. <SNIP>
The cut, which includes GM's finance arm General Motors Acceptance Corp., could cause GM's borrowing costs to rise. Investors have dreaded a GM cut to junk for fear it may cause turmoil in both the high-grade and junk markets. Investment funds ineligible to hold junk bonds could be forced to sell billions of dollars of GM debt.<SNIP>
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What a coincidence for GM, now their bond ratings match their vehicles!
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