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    What's the rate of warrant refusal in the FISA courts again? Like 2 or 3 out of 10,000 or something like that?

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    What's the rate of warrant refusal in the FISA courts again? Like 2 or 3 out of 10,000 or something like that?
    Basically. Plus they can start tapping and get authorization later. Short of a sweeping and massive fishing expedition on American citizens (basically sidestepping oversight), there's no reason at all to have gone around FISA.

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    Doesn't 25 years of executive compliance with FISA and a whole host of other laws, bespeak the opposite of what you're saying, WC?
    WC?

    If the executive branch submits to laws passed by Congress, doesn't that legitimize the laws de facto?

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    Doesn't 25 years of executive compliance with FISA and a whole host of other laws, bespeak the opposite of what you're saying, WC?
    No.

    Congress cannot dictate a presidents actions.

    We have argued this over and over and get no where.

    What if congress passed a law that that allowed a 30 year old to run for president, and the president passed it. Can a 30 year old now run for president?

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    could we go to war in iraq without declaring war?
    1) Does the cons ution cay there must be a declaration of war first?

    2) The Commander in Chief was already assumed during the making of the cons ution to have that right. It didn't need to be spelled out. The right for congress to declare war in one of two normal executive functions also granted to congress. Since it is not a normal function of the time, it was spelled out.

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    No.

    Congress cannot dictate a presidents actions.
    Why then do presidents submit to the authority of law?

    We have argued this over and over and get no where.
    Where does the US Cons ution say that the President is not subject to law?

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