We brought Malik here to be a garbage player, but people like you sure didn't have any problem defending him when he started trying to pass the ball like Manu, shoot the ball like Duncan, and score like Iverson.He was brought here FIRST, as a shooter.
To ignore that is silly.
*shrugs*
We can score in the halfcourt and have a legit inside presence. Both are must haves against the spurs. We also play defense and have a goto guy. Van Gundy respects your team more then anyone and he is trying to build a spurs killer just as you guys tried to do against the Lakers.
Our time will come
As for Bones vs Jon.
Sugar coat it anyway you want, both guiys were brought in to nail open threes. One has done his job while the other hasnt
Van Gundy's time may be coming a lot sooner than you think.
Yeah well...you guys are playing a team that isn't exactly known for it's great D...The Mavs are much improved on D but I don't think they are as good as the Nuggets and the Nuggets haven't been giving Barry many open shots after his 4-4 performance...and you guys are asking Jon to score more than we are asking that of Brent...As for Bones vs Jon.
Sugar coat it anyway you want, both guiys were brought in to nail open threes. One has done his job while the other hasnt
The biggest adjustment Barry has had to make this season is not being asked to do as much...he's used to being a major supporting player for a team with his ball handling and we aren't asking that of him...and he's struggled with that...
Jon has been a role player his entire career, this is the first time anyone has ever wanted Brent to do that...
Jon is playing awesome....and he is a better sparkplug and more experienced role player than Brent, but that doesn't mean he's a better player...why don't you look at their careers and individual success and see if you can say for certainty that Jon is better.
BTW, if Brent was on your team he'd be the starting PG.
I think the Rockets are too high on Sura, when healthy, for that to be the case.
You dont need to write a ing essay every post.
FACT:
Sura > Bones..no way does he start as our point
Bones was brought in to nail open 3's and failed while his brother has done a great job in the same role.
BDOG is not a near franchise player
and i nearly forgot..there is no way in the nuggets are a better then Dallas
Last edited by ceds; 05-05-2005 at 02:16 AM.
Big Dog is not that bad on D as he everybody says he is. It's just that no coach has asked him to do that. Ya'll gotta understand that most offensive wing men in the NBA don't play any D %100 of the time. They pick and choose when to play it, like Jordan did in his prime. They usually start doing that in the fourth quater. Most of those guys could play great D if they didicated themselves only towards that. But they can't because their team needs their offense. It's not humanly possible for guy to play %100 both on Offense and deffense for 40+ minutes. There's a few handfull of players in the league that do that, Manu is the best example of somebody who does that, but he could only go 28 to 30 mins a night doing both. If he paces himself on D and relaxes at times like most of the top gaurd scorers in the league do he could play close to 40 mintues a night easliy like them.
Now there's your answer why Manu can't play no more than 30 mins a night ya'll.
It's not that he's a whimp or has a medical problem like a lot of you have suggested. He gives it his all on the court and plays his heart out every second of the game.
My point is that Glenn could play D if he puts his head into it. He doesn't have to worry about O or creating it. Just D up and hit your open shots cause you get a load of them when your on the spurs.
I'll write what ever I want...if you don't like it...GFY.
Sura:FACT:
Sura > Bones..no way does he start as our point
BBarryCode:G GS MIN FG FG% 3P 3P% FT FT% STL BLK TO PF DQ OFF DEF TOT AST PTS Totals 657 205 23.7 2.9-7.0 .414 0.6-2.0 .325 2.1-3.1 .689 1.0 0.2 1.9 2.2 0.0 0.9 2.5 3.4 3.8 8.6
Code:G GS MIN FG FG% 3P 3P% FT FT% STL BLK TO PF DQ OFF DEF TOT AST PTS Totals 676 414 28.6 3.5-7.7 .460 1.6-4.0 .402 1.7-2.0 .821 1.2 0.3 1.6 2.2 0.0 0.6 2.9 3.5 3.7 10.3
It's not even ing close. I take that back...Sura's career FG% is a little better than Brent's career 3 PT PCT.
See what you were posting as fact...is opinion, RocketFan. Learn the difference.
Statistically it's really not even close...Sura is a supreme stat padder and Barry is a much better ball handler.
357% isn't failure.Bones was brought in to nail open 3's and failed while his brother has done a great job in the same role.
The simple fact of the matter is that Brent Barry made @ 30 more 3 pointers this season than Jon Barry...his team finished with a better record than Jon Barry...with his Superstar missing 15 or so games...and he was a reason for that because we went 8-4 with Duncan out this last time.
In the playoffs? He's shooting 357% again...it's not as good as we want him to shoot but it's not failure either....Brent Barry could just easily get hot in a game.
Jon Barry has played in a lot more playoff games than Brent...
Again, that's your opinion...I say that being the leading post scorer on conference finalist makes him close to one...or at least it did.BDOG is not a near franchise player
It's just your opinion...don't say it's fact.
The fact is that your team just ed up royally, your coach has his ass in a major sling and has called into question the entire integrity of the NBA, and your coach has made himself such a distraction that's it's going to probably cost you this series...that's the facts.
Last edited by whottt; 05-05-2005 at 02:47 AM.
Oh and Yao is mega over-rated. Fact.
Both should be combo guard role players of the bench. Sura has lived up to expectations this year and can stay in front of his man better then barry. Forget career stats, Sura is the better defender and for that reason alone Van Gundy would start him over BrentIt's not even ing close. I take that back...Sura's career FG% is a little better than Brent's career 3 PT PCT. Statistically it's really not even close...Sura is a supreme stat padder and Barry is a much better ball handler.
You guys needed a cold blooded shooter who wouldnt choke like the rest of your team and had a choice of Jon , Bones and Jackson yet you take the guy who hasnt proved anything playoff wise in his career. Until Bones starts having those games where he hits 4-5 3's to bust a game open like the other players i mentioned can he will be deemed a failure.In the playoffs? He's shooting 357% again...it's not as good as we want him to shoot but it's not failure either....Brent Barry could just easily get hot in a game. Jon Barry has played in a lot more playoff games than Brent...
Its a fact..he's nothing but a 20 ft jump shooter (not a post scorer) and has never been anything close to a franchise level player. No better a player then say ced ceballosAgain, that's your opinion...I say that being the leading post scorer on conference finalist makes him close to one...or at least it did.
It's just your opinion...don't say it's fact.
We will win in DallasThe fact is that your team just ed up royally, your coach has his ass in a major sling and has called into question the entire integrity of the NBA, and your coach has made himself such a distraction that's it's going to probably cost you this series...that's the facts
Yeah...I've noticed Sura's D in the last 3 games...
You are right that both should be combo guards off the bench...there's just one major difference...Sura has been a combo guard off the bench for basically his entire career. Barry hasn't...And Sura also got more PT this year becaue the Rockets don't have freaking PG.
What has Jon Barry proved in his career? He's gotten kicked in the first round as much as anyone else...This is the playoff series of his career.You guys needed a cold blooded shooter who wouldnt choke like the rest of your team and had a choice of Jon , Bones and Jackson yet you take the guy who hasnt proved anything playoff wise in his career.
FWIW, I wanted Jon for the role we used Brent for...but Brent has played well...
You definition of not doing his job is twelve 3 pointers through 81 games.
If Jack had taken a paycut like Barry was willing to do...he'd have been here.
Yeah well...he's already done that one game...Until Bones starts having those games where he hits 4-5 3's to bust a game open like the other players i mentioned can he will be deemed a failure.
You don't understand....we have 3 scorers on our team capable of taking the game over...and none of them are really looking to pass right now. Bowen's not getting the ball either.
We literally ask Brent to do nothing more than campout in our half court set...
That's not exactly what the Rockets are doing...they are running a lot
And you know what? That's what he Brent's doing...Jon is shooting threes well(tearing it up in fact)...but I've also seen him thinking he's Jordan and jacking some bad shots down the stretch in your recent losses.
WTF did you get Cedrick Ceballos from? Talk about random comparison....I always thought Big Dogg had the stuff to win a dunk contest thoughIts a fact..he's nothing but a 20 ft jump shooter (not a post scorer) and has never been anything close to a franchise level player. No better a player then say ced ceballos
On that Bucks team he was their best post scorer...he can post up...true he has the best J of his generation and that's what he's know for but he's good post player, he can do it...
He was a ing PF in college.
I hope you do...especially since I predicted the Rockets to win the series in the prediction thread.We will win in Dallas
Last edited by whottt; 05-05-2005 at 03:19 AM.
Barry is here because he can play both guard positions and SF if he has to. Robinson can play really 2.
But, to be honest I have been much happier with Big Dog's play than I have of Barry's. It is because of Barry that Manu is coming off the bench.
I have noticed that Big Dog has been really trying hard to play better defense, and that's what I like to see. That's what I want to see.
Man, if we still had Stephen Jackson, we would be SMOKING these teams out. Jax's defense is great, he's a heck of a scorer, and has a knack of making some big plays.
But as for Big Dog vs Barry, well I have been very displeased with Barry and very excited about Big Dog, but Barry's versatility is the reason why he's more important.
yeah, let's trade for one of the biggest busts in nba history who, by the way, just quit his team before game five of the playoffs.
Cmon..his role is to give TD spacing and hit open shots. This guy was considered one of the top 3 point specialists in the league before this year, how can you not say he's been a dissapointment. Sooner or later a defensive team is going to make your shooters prove themselves and it could cost you guys a series.
when he played for seattle allot of his 3's were out in transition. Thats his bread and butter and ive yet to see him have those chances on the spurs
WTF did you get Cedrick Ceballos from? Talk about random comparison
Just another random 20 pt scorer who lucked into an all star game or two. Nothing close to a franchise level guy
No drop step , hook shot or anything else resembling a post game....just a turn around jumper.On that Bucks team he was their best post scorer...he can post up...true he has the best J of his generation and that's what he's know for but he's good post player, he can do it...
His jumpshot is all he has..By the way Allen and Cassel have gone onto have all star years while being important pieces to thier respective playoff teams while Grobs career has gone downhill.
BFD if he was a pf in college. He has no business playing that position in the league.He was a ing PF in college.
Last edited by ceds; 05-05-2005 at 05:01 AM.
And he draws defenders...how often do you see Duncan getting doubled off of Barry in this series...I gurantee you haven't seen it more than once or twice...it hasn't happened.
Try to understand me here...This guy was considered one of the top 3 point specialists in the league before this year, how can you not say he's been a dissapointment. Sooner or later a defensive team is going to make your shooters prove themselves and it could cost you guys a series.
Brent Barry made 100 3 pointers in 280 attempts to shoot .357%.
For him to have shot 40% he would have had to make 112 3 pointers in that same 280 attempts.
That 12 3 pointers short of shooting 40%.
12 3 pointers, through 81 games.
That comes out to .15 3 pointers a game. It's ridiculous to say that's a bust.
Especially since he lead the freaking team in 2pt PCT, FT%, Assist to to ratio, fewest TO per 48, and was second on the team in PPS.
It's an adjustment he has struggled to make..I imgaine he's as surprised as anyone..but IMO Barry has overcome his own personal struggles to rise to the challenge all season long when his team has needed him most..it hasn't been pretty but he's gotten the job done...and he's been statistically the best clutch shooter on the team this season.when he played for seattle allot of his 3's were out in transition. Thats his bread and butter and ive yet to see him have those chances on the spurs
He's just not an energy guy...
More like the best midrange J in the NBA during his career.Just another random 20 pt scorer who lucked into an all star game or two. Nothing close to a franchise level guy
No drop step , hook shot or anything else resembling a post game....just a turn around jumper.
I didn't say he had traditional post up game...but he can post guys up and he can hit that J from anywhere on the freaking court, including starting with his back to the basket...and from virtually any position.
His jumpshot is all he has..By the way Allen and Cassel have gone onto have all star years while being important pieces to thier respective playoff teams while Grobs career has gone downhill.
His J never went down hill...his at ude and personal life did...Ray Allen is a flat out stud 2 guard and I'd say Cassell's stock is going down while Robinson's is starting to go up...It wasn't that long ago that Robinson was drawing double teams in the playoffs.
He doesn't play it because he doesn't have the height, the prototypical moveset and his J from 15 feet out is so awesome...but that doesn't mean he can't score as a post up player...he does it very well. Keep watching this series.BFD if he was a pf in college. He has as no business playing that position in the league.
Last edited by whottt; 05-05-2005 at 05:07 AM.
You are in denial. Hedo had much better numbers when he was in your system. He has slumped this season and failed to meet expectations. Last year he shot 114-252 from 3 at .452%. He was also a 50% FG shooter.Brent Barry made 100 3 pointers in 280 attempts to shoot .357%.
For him to have shot 40% he would have had to make 112 3 pointers in that same 280 attempts.
That 12 3 pointers short of shooting 40%.
12 3 pointers, through 81 games.
That comes out to .15 3 pointers a game. It's ridiculous to say that's a bust.
Just admit it was a failure...the guy obviously isnt the same player he was in seattle. Its not all about stats, he needs an up and down transition game where he can catch and shoot on the break. Right now it doesnt look like he can hit a set shot from 3 to save himself
Then you guys are in trouble when Shaq clogs the paintand he's been statistically the best clutch shooter on the team this season.
Agreed, he has a jumpshot..no post up game though and certainly no power forward.I didn't say he had traditional post up game...but he can post guys up and he can hit that J from anywhere on the freaking court, including starting with his back to the basket...and from virtually any position.
I think everyone knows now that Ray was the true star of that Bucks team. Cassel right now has the claim for 2nd best after his all star season and deep playoff run last seasonHis J never went down hill...his at ude and personal life did...Ray Allen is a flat out stud 2 guard and I'd say Cassell's stock is going down while Robinson's is starting to go up
The point is he never was anything close to an franchise player. Just a 20 pt scorer
Last edited by ceds; 05-05-2005 at 05:34 AM.
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