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I didn't think manu was "done" either... Props for the quote though
What I meant is that nobody would have thought Manu would be playing the best basketball of his career this year. I know many knew he could still be a good and effective player.
I didn't think manu was "done" either... Props for the quote though
What I meant is that nobody would have thought Manu would be playing the best basketball of his career this year. I know many knew he could still be a good and effective player.
That's not scarier for the Lakers. Every possession Ginobili is off-the-ball is already a positive for them.
Me neither.
Seriously, speak for yourself. Some of us have been defending him for the past two seasons trying to get it through people's head that Manu's bad play is due to his injury.
That's the million dollar question.
Manu isn't playing the best basketball of his career, he's playing at his level when he's in form but in a different role.
Do you think Manu improved as a basketball player this Summer?
I had faith in Manu. I should have worded this different.
Did you think Manu's best basketball was in front of him? especially after watching the first half of the season.. If you say yes then your lying.
I meant nobody thought manu could return to the level of the 2005 finals. which he is playing like and probably even better.
I knew Manu could still play and I always backed Manu just like I do Tony.
I think the problem with this analysis is that the spurs had one of the roughest schedules while TP was out. So the comparison might be a bit misleading since one would expect that the spurs wouldn't do so well against the best teams with TP out. Comparing the numbers the spurs got against a majority of average-mediocre teams (50 games with TP), with what the spurs got against a majority of good teams (20 games without him) isn't fair unless you can adjust for schedule strength.
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I think the Manu of the past 2 months is the best Manu I have ever seen in a spur jersey. So yes, I think he is playing the best basketball of his career?
I think he was just as good, if not better, in 2008. I remember him stringing together some epic games in the 2nd half of that season. That 46 point game against the Cavs was classic.
+1 and then after that peak ... fatigue and injureies kicked in. I think pop has performed an impossible task, he has limited everyones minutes in such a way that spurs late season push, has come just at the right time. orrrr ... were screwed. But id like to imagine option 1 until im proven wrong in the PO
That was def the best year of his career.
Didn't Ginobili wreck his ankle in the last week of the regular season in '08? I don't remember him entering the playoffs healthy that year. And by the time they reached LA he was done.
I'm not sure what games Mojo has been watching but they're not the same ones I have. In any event, I think these stats are so folly because of the injuries the Spurs have endured all season. Directly Parker has not had a chance to play at full strength almost the entire season. Indirectly, Parker has not had a chance to play with Manu at the current confidence and health level he is at. It is no secret that when good players play with other good players they both benefit because of the way defense has to react.
Tony Parker carried this team in 2009. A healthy Tony Parker is only going to be a huge asset to this team and to even consider the opposite is simply unreal to me.
To simplify the argument as to who should be on the floor during the playoffs I suggest a 3 guard rotation with Hill, Manu, and, Parker. Who ever is playing the best should be on the floor at the end of the game even if all three are on the floor and RJ is on the pine.
Playoff DNPs for Mason, Hairston, Temple (Bogans may play some SF)
Someone probably answered this already, but Tony was injured all season. Compare Hills stats this season with Tony's last season. This would be more accurate.
yup spot on. It was painful to watch. He somehow toughed his way through the phx (parker torched them) and hornets series (played big in key games). But the lakers were too much ..sasha guarded him .... shows how injured he was.
just goes to show that statistics only tell so much. IMO tony's injury coincided with several players picking up their play (mostly manu, hill, rj and bonner) and pop pulling his head out of his ass. it may have even forced pop to pull his head out of his ass. but its very difficult to say (especially as far away as I am) which came first- players doing better and pop fixing his rotation because he had less problems to address, or the players playing better because pop finally established a functional rotation. I'm too far away to say for sure, but at certain points it definitely felt like pop was to blame.
Very few of the "Give the reins to Hill" advocates, including myself, claim that Hill is a better player than Tony...our main point which these stats prove (nice job btw stats are very interesting) is that the drop off at PG wouldnt be huge. We would ideally get some frontcourt help in exchange for Tony and I think that would more than make-up for the drop off at PG.
Hill-Manu-RJ-Timmy- <insert all-star big man> in my opinion would be better than what we currently have. Of course aquiring an all-star big man is easier said than done, but Parker should be expendable if the right deal presents itself.
those stats are very deceiving.. stated by many already in the thread.
The spurs team in the beginning of the year was a much different team and Tony playing through injuries then also didn't help. Tony didn't have this version of Manu in the beginning of the year to play with also... remember that manu laid a big ing egg until about 2 months ago.
the dropoff might not be that big if manu plays like this all year every year ofcourse though, we know that's not the case.
Sigh....
all the so called "parker haters" arent so stupid are we now???!?!?!?!!? if you dont see the difference then your an idiot, if you think this team should be parkers go to and i hate the way parker acts out on the court. do you guys notice how the spurs when going to the bench start giving eachother high fives right before they sit down. however they completely ifnore or dont even bother to give frenchie a high five cause he seems like he doesnt want to be talked to. also it seems like hes a very jealous guy and hates that ginobili is the teams heart and soul
i have a feeling Parker's marriage to a famous actress has had a bad effect on his ego.
ok but if your saying that well i could also say that parkers numbers are way more deceiving than hills in that parkers plus minus differential and ppg mean when lets say he loses games while putting up big points. he plays no defense whatsoever george hill can play better D with his than parkers raptor arms
p.s ****all comments made here are from the comments ive heard about thrill penis on spurs talk i made it a point to not see hills penis as it would ruin my spurs game experience bahahahaha
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