It's Time NOT to Trade Tony Parker!!!

[scottspurs]

1. Trading Parker would be downright stupid. He knows how to run the offense better than anyone not named Coach Pop or TD.

2. Spurs would not get equal value.

3. George Hill is a better 2 than a 1.

4. Tony was finals MVP for the spurs just 3 years ago.

5. Tony Parker is still in his prime

6. There is something to the great spurs being lifetime spurs. It gives the organization more of a family feel which makes me most proud being a fan.

7. Trading Parker would create the same chemistry problems the spurs had to deal with this season. Let this team get to know each other better and next year will be a blast.

8. Tony has always had great character and has always played hard. Do you know if you will get that out of the guy you trade him for?

9. Eva Longoria

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Tony Parker, since 2001, has done everything the Spurs have asked him to.

You mean like sit out playing for Team France every summer? Yeah, great point!

I know with great success sometimes people get bored and want to change a successful formula....because we want to see if the grass is greener down the street or around the corner.
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Tony has had a injury-plague year. Which happens to most atheletes at some point in their careers. But, if he's a core piece to your team. You can keep him for as long as you can.

This is the problem people have. People want to get rid of him because he is not committed to the Spurs. If he were, he wouldn't be running off making rap albums, or more relevantly to the Spurs organization would be him not going off to run his ass into the ground playing for Team France.

There is a direct correlation between his play for Team France and injury issues mounting with each year during the NBA season as a result of said play.

Some people like you are apparently uncomfortable with change. Those advocating a trade of Parker are largely doing so because it's apparent to anyone with any sort of forward thinking that as he ages, but continues to play ball all summer after long NBA seasons, he's going to be faced with mounting injuries.

Additionally, let's be honest about his game. He has ty court vision. He often misses wide open players, either because he lacks the court vision to make the play or he is too much of a ball hog to pass the ball. I've lost count of the number of times he dribbles down the clock on the last possession of a quarter only to drive and either take a horrible shot that misses, take a horrible shot that gets stuffed out of bounds, or have the defender strip it off his leg out of bounds.

And frankly, we have seen what this team can do with Hill, Manu, and Jefferson as the three headed perimeter monster, and there is much more fluidity to our offense with that combination.

Hill's emergence this year coupled with Tony's love for running his body into the ground over the summer playing for Team France has made Tony expendable. You're getting 90% of what Parker can do out of Hill for 10% of the cost.

So yes, it's a business decision of sorts, particularly when you have other areas of need on this squad that can be addressed with a trade chip like Tony.

So, it makes sense to trade an asset when his value is at an all time high to get the most out of him for the Spurs franchise.

[Muser]

If there is a good package on offer then he's tradeable, but it has to be a damn good package.

[easy7]

If you can trade Tony Parker for Dwight Howard I think you should do it!

Oden for Howard is a better trade.

[Cry Havoc]

Wow Aggie, I never thought I'd see the day.

What a sad, stupid place Spurstalk is becoming.

[jjktkk]

Wow Aggie, I never thought I'd see the day.

What a sad, stupid place Spurstalk is becoming.

Thats why I think Aggie would make a great GM. For the Clippers!

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Seriously? That's all the response you guys got? Either debate the facts, or log off and go back to playing with your Tony Parker blowup doll.

Just for fun, here's their stats this year too:

	ppg	rpg	apg	spg	to/g	FG%	3PT%	FT%	A/T
parker	16.1	2.4	5.7	0.51	2.6	0.49	0.281	0.762	2.192307692
hill	12.5	2.7	3	0.91	1.3	0.477	0.398	0.774	2.307692308

If you care about HOllinger's PER, or +/-, Hill wins both of those head to head as well (I don't put complete faith in those as I have a problem with some of their stats, particularly the PER).

Salaries next year:

Parker 13.5 million
Hill 1.5 million

Couple all that with the reality that Tony will be a free agent after next season and we have no guarantee he'll re-sign, and well.... kinda makes sense to do a little shopping this summer.

[jjktkk]

Seriously? That's all the response you guys got? Either debate the facts, or log off and go back to playing with your Tony Parker blowup doll.

Just for fun, here's their stats this year too:

	ppg	rpg	apg	spg	to/g	FG%	3PT%	FT%	A/T
parker	16.1	2.4	5.7	0.51	2.6	0.49	0.281	0.762	2.192307692
hill	12.5	2.7	3	0.91	1.3	0.477	0.398	0.774	2.307692308

If you care about HOllinger's PER, or +/-, Hill wins both of those head to head as well (I don't put complete faith in those as I have a problem with some of their stats, particularly the PER).

Salaries next year:

Parker 13.5 million
Hill 1.5 million

Couple all that with the reality that Tony will be a free agent after next season and we have no guarantee he'll re-sign, and well.... kinda makes sense to do a little shopping this summer.

Typical knee jerk reaction fron you Aggie. You can throw all of your cute little stats out the window. Those stats don't take into account that Parker has been battling injuries all year.

[Cry Havoc]

Seriously? That's all the response you guys got? Either debate the facts, or log off and go back to playing with your Tony Parker blowup doll.

Just for fun, here's their stats this year too:

	ppg	rpg	apg	spg	to/g	FG%	3PT%	FT%	A/T
parker	16.1	2.4	5.7	0.51	2.6	0.49	0.281	0.762	2.192307692
hill	12.5	2.7	3	0.91	1.3	0.477	0.398	0.774	2.307692308

If you care about HOllinger's PER, or +/-, Hill wins both of those head to head as well (I don't put complete faith in those as I have a problem with some of their stats, particularly the PER).

Salaries next year:

Parker 13.5 million
Hill 1.5 million

Couple all that with the reality that Tony will be a free agent after next season and we have no guarantee he'll re-sign, and well.... kinda makes sense to do a little shopping this summer.

So Parker has been putting up better stats than Hill WHILE injured and probably playing at 60%, and you want to trade him?

Do you think we're gonna resign Hill for the league minimum or something?

[timaios]

If Parker is a bad player, why other teams would want to trade a great player for him ?
I don't see the logic here.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Typical knee jerk reaction fron you Aggie. You can throw all of your cute little stats out the window. Those stats don't take into account that Parker has been battling injuries all year.

Typical Parker homer response. Again, the stats are in compliment to my earlier argument that until Tony commits to quitting the national team gig, he's going to continue to deal with injuries year round, and they will increase with frequency and severity as he ages.

Damn, he's fixing to turn 28 but with all the National Team he's probably about 32 in basketball years.

That's my point. He seems bent on playing for France every year. This has led to more and more injuries of late, and will continue to be the case. If he wants to continue to carry the French flag in summer ball, fine, let him be someone else's problem.

Honestly though, I think it boils down to this summer. Going into a contract year, what does he do?

If he takes the summer off, recognizing the wear and tear on his body, I'm all for keeping him. The moment he steps on a plane to go fly and play for France, time to start making calls, R.C.

So Parker has been putting up better stats than Hill WHILE injured and probably playing at 60%, and you want to trade him?

Do you think we're gonna resign Hill for the league minimum or something?

Did you even read the stats? The only statistically significant difference between the two is in PPG. Is 3.5 PPG worth an extra 10 million a year? If it is, I would hope you would have never offered one piece of criticism on this board of Jefferson this year.

Hill has a better assist to turnover ratio, is shooting better from the perimeter and line, rebounding better (a help considering we have 4 RPG Matt Bonner running around most nights), and he compliments Manu's game, which I think should carry some weight as we just extended the guy.

[timaios]

You realize that Manu will play this summer with Argentina, right ?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

You realize that Manu will play this summer with Argentina, right ?

I'm sorry, what does that have to do with Tony Parker being hurt all the time and playing for France every summer?

[timaios]

I'm sorry, what does that have to do with Tony Parker being hurt all the time and playing for France every summer?

Parker is hurt only this year.
Manu plays, like Tony, every summer, and was hurt in the last 2 playoffs.

But you think it's ok if Manu plays with his NT and that Tony is an asshole if he's doing the same thing.

Do you get it now ?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I don't think it's okay that Manu plays. I have also seen him say he's pretty much done with national team stuff.

I'd rather this thread not turn into another pissing match as far as Manu vs. Tony. This thread is about Tony, and whether or not his value, national team commitment, injuries, and production on the court are something we can't live without or whether we can utilize an asset such as Tony to get us another quality big or stud 3/4.

[timaios]

I don't think it's okay that Manu plays. I have also seen him say he's pretty much done with national team stuff.

I'd rather this thread not turn into another pissing match as far as Manu vs. Tony. This thread is about Tony, and whether or not his value, national team commitment, injuries, and production on the court are something we can't live without or whether we can utilize an asset such as Tony to get us another quality big or stud 3/4.

Again i think Manu is the better player and i am a big fan of him.
And i enjoy watching both play with their NT.
And Tony Parker will not play for France this year... so.

If Parker is so bad, you can't have some quality player in return.

[jjktkk]

I don't think it's okay that Manu plays. I have also seen him say he's pretty much done with national team stuff.

I'd rather this thread not turn into another pissing match as far as Manu vs. Tony. This thread is about Tony, and whether or not his value, national team commitment, injuries, and production on the court are something we can't live without or whether we can utilize an asset such as Tony to get us another quality big or stud 3/4.

I can see why you don't want to turn this thread into a Manu vs. Tony pissing match, because it shows that you call out Tony for playing for his NT in the off-season, but not Manu. LOL Aggie, your pathetic. Why don't you just come out and admit you just don't like Tony? Your lame debate doesn't hide the fact you resent Tony.

[itzsoweezee]

he's injured. i wish the people begging for a trade would get that through their heads. this is a lost season for him, but there's nothing at all to suggest he won't come back next year where he left off last year: a top five point guard.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I can see why you don't want to turn this thread into a Manu vs. Tony pissing match, because it shows that you call out Tony for playing for his NT in the off-season, but not Manu. LOL Aggie, your pathetic. Why don't you just come out and admit you just don't like Tony? Your lame debate doesn't hide the fact you resent Tony.

I've criticized Manu elsewhere when he made his NT commitment.

This is about whether the Spurs would be better off keeping Parker for the rest of the TD/Manu era, or turning the point over to Hill, trading Parker, and getting a great player in return.

[Waps1980]

Seriously? That's all the response you guys got? Either debate the facts, or log off and go back to playing with your Tony Parker blowup doll.

Just for fun, here's their stats this year too:

    ppg    rpg    apg    spg    to/g    FG%    3PT%    FT%    A/T
parker    16.1    2.4    5.7    0.51    2.6    0.49    0.281    0.762    2.192307692
hill    12.5    2.7    3    0.91    1.3    0.477    0.398    0.774    2.307692308

If you care about HOllinger's PER, or +/-, Hill wins both of those head to head as well (I don't put complete faith in those as I have a problem with some of their stats, particularly the PER).

Salaries next year:

Parker 13.5 million
Hill 1.5 million

Couple all that with the reality that Tony will be a free agent after next season and we have no guarantee he'll re-sign, and well.... kinda makes sense to do a little shopping this summer.

You could also go as far as to add the up in Manu's stats due to Parker being out. Hills stats might not be so much better than Parkers but every starter with the exception of TD have picked up double time.

[MarHill]

You mean like sit out playing for Team France every summer? Yeah, great point!



This is the problem people have. People want to get rid of him because he is not committed to the Spurs. If he were, he wouldn't be running off making rap albums, or more relevantly to the Spurs organization would be him not going off to run his ass into the ground playing for Team France.

There is a direct correlation between his play for Team France and injury issues mounting with each year during the NBA season as a result of said play.

Some people like you are apparently uncomfortable with change. Those advocating a trade of Parker are largely doing so because it's apparent to anyone with any sort of forward thinking that as he ages, but continues to play ball all summer after long NBA seasons, he's going to be faced with mounting injuries.

Additionally, let's be honest about his game. He has ty court vision. He often misses wide open players, either because he lacks the court vision to make the play or he is too much of a ball hog to pass the ball. I've lost count of the number of times he dribbles down the clock on the last possession of a quarter only to drive and either take a horrible shot that misses, take a horrible shot that gets stuffed out of bounds, or have the defender strip it off his leg out of bounds.

And frankly, we have seen what this team can do with Hill, Manu, and Jefferson as the three headed perimeter monster, and there is much more fluidity to our offense with that combination.

Hill's emergence this year coupled with Tony's love for running his body into the ground over the summer playing for Team France has made Tony expendable. You're getting 90% of what Parker can do out of Hill for 10% of the cost.

So yes, it's a business decision of sorts, particularly when you have other areas of need on this squad that can be addressed with a trade chip like Tony.

So, it makes sense to trade an asset when his value is at an all time high to get the most out of him for the Spurs franchise.

First of all thanks for your response.

Now let me address your post.

I don't have a problem with change. That's life.

However, change for the sake of change is just bad as those who want things to remain the same forever.

Also, just because did one rap album and playing for his country (when it's perfectly in the rules by the NBA) doesn't mean he isn't committed to the Spurs.

Unfortunately, there are folks like you that have the ugly American syndrome. TP has every right to play for his country considering he is probably the biggest athlete from France.

Also, having one injured year doesn't always translate to someone having an injury-filled career. Considering he has been a main cog in 3 championships and it's only 28....you are being premature about the rest of his career.

Plus, the Spurs have waited for 2 years to see if Manu can be healthy and that has happen. So the Spurs can't wait one year for TP to get healthy? Wow!!

Yes it's a business decision...but there hasn't been any indication (outside of an internet rumor about a trade for CP3) that Spurs wants to trade TP.

Lastly, George Hill has emerged as a solid NBA player and has a bright future ahead of him. I like him a lot....but with this team is who trying to get one more championship in the Spurs golden era....TP is still the better option and it's the best PG on the team.

Lastly, you are wrong to say that TP has terrible court vision. I have sent him make plenty of excellent passes to teammates in the half-court or on the break. Yes, he will never be a Steve Nash or CP3 or Deron Williams. I know that some Spurs fans have always lusted for that type of PG and have never truly accepted that Spurs have used TP's strengths as an asset to better the team.

They have asked TP to be scoring point guard since they had a dominant big man and a great wing player. That formula has worked since 2003 when the Big 3 became fully established.

Again, there are some Spurs fans who have become bored with a successful formula and since the Spurs have finally face some adversity in the past couple of years.....they want to play fantasy GM and trade everybody but TD.

I don't think so!

TP should stay a Spur until has contract has finished.

Thanks for the debate.

[ducks]

Seriously? That's all the response you guys got? Either debate the facts, or log off and go back to playing with your Tony Parker blowup doll.

Just for fun, here's their stats this year too:

	ppg	rpg	apg	spg	to/g	FG%	3PT%	FT%	A/T
parker	16.1	2.4	5.7	0.51	2.6	0.49	0.281	0.762	2.192307692
hill	12.5	2.7	3	0.91	1.3	0.477	0.398	0.774	2.307692308

If you care about HOllinger's PER, or +/-, Hill wins both of those head to head as well (I don't put complete faith in those as I have a problem with some of their stats, particularly the PER).

Salaries next year:

Parker 13.5 million
Hill 1.5 million

Couple all that with the reality that Tony will be a free agent after next season and we have no guarantee he'll re-sign, and well.... kinda makes sense to do a little shopping this summer.

why not compare tp stats to hill last year
or manu first half stats to hills

[ducks]

I don't think it's okay that Manu plays. I have also seen him say he's pretty much done with national team stuff.

I'd rather this thread not turn into another pissing match as far as Manu vs. Tony. This thread is about Tony, and whether or not his value, national team commitment, injuries, and production on the court are something we can't live without or whether we can utilize an asset such as Tony to get us another quality big or stud 3/4.

just like rj was suppose to be a stud to

getting another player does not make it will actually work
trading tp for another stud is a risk even if it looks great on paper

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

You could also go as far as to add the up in Manu's stats due to Parker being out. Hills stats might not be so much better than Parkers but every starter with the exception of TD have picked up double time.

Good point. Jefferson actually had a pulse with Tony out. So there's another bonus. RJ boosted his scoring a good 5 PPG playing with Hill and Manu, and I believe he also boosted his rebounding, FG%, 3pt %, and steals...

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

why not compare tp stats to hill last year
or manu first half stats to hills

Actually probably the fairest comparison would be Hill this year vs. Tony's second year. I am too drunk to mess with that tonight though.

However, change for the sake of change is just bad as those who want things to remain the same forever.

Also, just because did one rap album and playing for his country (when it's perfectly in the rules by the NBA) doesn't mean he isn't committed to the Spurs.

Unfortunately, there are folks like you that have the ugly American syndrome.

I'm not advocating change for the sake of change. Roll out Hill with Temple backing him up next year, trade Tony for a long SF or stud big, and let's win another le or three before Tim hangs them up.

The rap album was tongue in cheek, sorry you missed it.

Call me an ugly American all you want. If that's what Euros are going to call me for calling out Tony for playing for a ty French team every year that will never win a gold in anything that matters internationally while getting run into the ground with two-a-day practices, fine, I'm an ugly American.

Bottom line is Spurs have invested heavily in Tony. With his continued summer adventures on behalf of Team France, I call into question his reciprocal commitment to the organization dropping $14 mil a year on his ass.